Does this '65 motor/tranny look stock?
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Does this '65 motor/tranny look stock?
Hello,
I have a '65 FL titled motor/tranny in a 70's or so Shovel chassis and was hoping you guys could help me with what I have here, as far as stock parts on the motor like jugs and heads, if you can tell from the pics.
Short of the Jim's parts and S&S carb, does this motor look stock? Also, in checking out an original distributor, as my goal one day is to make this bike a bone stock '65 FL, it looks as though the '65 has a one year only distributor?
Thanks for your time.
I have a '65 FL titled motor/tranny in a 70's or so Shovel chassis and was hoping you guys could help me with what I have here, as far as stock parts on the motor like jugs and heads, if you can tell from the pics.
Short of the Jim's parts and S&S carb, does this motor look stock? Also, in checking out an original distributor, as my goal one day is to make this bike a bone stock '65 FL, it looks as though the '65 has a one year only distributor?
Thanks for your time.
Tourer
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From: Fort Worth, Texas
Sixty5pan, Can't really tell from the pics if they are stock jugs. they should have casting number in the cylinder base gasket area if i remember right. not sure of what year they started using the cylinders for the 65 but i think it was 55. if that's the case the casting numbers should be 55-xxxx. 65 distributor should be interchangeable with the early slab side shovelhead models. bottom end was the same diffence between the earlier pans was 65 was a twelve volt system. looks like you're running after market tappet blocks also. pick up a copy of bruce palmer's how to restore a harley davidson. lots of good info in there and it'll tell you more precisely where to find numbers on the bike. i'm just going off memory and at my age i wouldn't take that to the bank. good luck.
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Judging from the other performance mods I see there I'm leaning to no they are not stock .The Jims lifters are a great plus on any pan or shovel along with that aftermarket dist. You want to get of the Jims pm me . Base nuts & washers aren't pan either , started using those 79 & later . Oil pump is non OEM for that year also .
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You can take this to the bank. The only way your going to find a stock 65 is at the HD museum or if grand ma has the one the kid died and left sitting in the back of the garage and she just forgot about it. You can bet any one you pick up today has been messed with.
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sixty5pan, Harley Panhead cylinders for 1965 are the same as for 6364. Harley did not start using these type of cylinders for 55. Harley did not change Panhead cylinders for 1955. And I do not think youll find a casting number such as 55-xxxx on your cylinders.
There appears to be something at the base of your front cylinder on its left side and it may be a casting mark like the type shown below which is on one of my Panhead rear cylinders. It's a capital M over a C and indicates a genuine Harley cylinder cast by Motor Castings Company:
Also at the base of both cylinders you may find a capital letter and a casting date codefor example, H 19-3 on the cylinder below indicates casting on August 19 of 1963:
Obviously the 19-3 date code was placed upside down on this cylinder so you'll need to have a good look at yours to figure out exactly what your date codes say. I think I can see a date code on the rear of your front cylinder.
Your heads may be genuine H-D and they appear to be the type used for 196365. If they have casting numbers theyll probably be on the top of each head so you wont see them unless the rocker covers are removed. I would expect the front head to have casting number 16700-56 and the rear head may have 16701-56. And you may also find a casting date code on the top of each headfor example, 10 63 would indicate casting in October 1963.
Regarding the timer (distributor), the one used for 1965 Pans was indeed a one-year-only item. It was different to the type used for the 196669 Shovelheads although they can all be swapped around as required.
Bruce Palmers restoration book wont be much good to you for a 65 Pan because the book mostly covers 193764. It has some info that relates to years outside that span but not much. The 1965 Pan itself is not covered in that book. Eric
There appears to be something at the base of your front cylinder on its left side and it may be a casting mark like the type shown below which is on one of my Panhead rear cylinders. It's a capital M over a C and indicates a genuine Harley cylinder cast by Motor Castings Company:
Also at the base of both cylinders you may find a capital letter and a casting date codefor example, H 19-3 on the cylinder below indicates casting on August 19 of 1963:
Obviously the 19-3 date code was placed upside down on this cylinder so you'll need to have a good look at yours to figure out exactly what your date codes say. I think I can see a date code on the rear of your front cylinder.
Your heads may be genuine H-D and they appear to be the type used for 196365. If they have casting numbers theyll probably be on the top of each head so you wont see them unless the rocker covers are removed. I would expect the front head to have casting number 16700-56 and the rear head may have 16701-56. And you may also find a casting date code on the top of each headfor example, 10 63 would indicate casting in October 1963.
Regarding the timer (distributor), the one used for 1965 Pans was indeed a one-year-only item. It was different to the type used for the 196669 Shovelheads although they can all be swapped around as required.
Bruce Palmers restoration book wont be much good to you for a 65 Pan because the book mostly covers 193764. It has some info that relates to years outside that span but not much. The 1965 Pan itself is not covered in that book. Eric
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