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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 11:56 AM
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You guys need to relax, its not stolen, its a registered and titled bike. The title says its a knuckle but obviously its a shovel. Its been built with a mix of parts apparently but there is no reason to assume that it's stolen. Stop the BS please.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 12:55 PM
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Dude, believe what you want, but buggered up badly done restamps like that are done for one reason only. Some of us in here been around both sides of the law, a few more are are ex law, rubes we aren't. Take that for what you will.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 7mm mag
You guys need to relax, its not stolen, its a registered and titled bike. The title says its a knuckle but obviously its a shovel. Its been built with a mix of parts apparently but there is no reason to assume that it's stolen. Stop the BS please.
OK, so it’s buggered up somewhere and you know it, from the info you gave and the title being forged what are you actually asking?

it’s a late model shovel engine and looks to be a Shovel frame from the oil tank picture, two decades and two engine series away from what the paper you have states it is.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 01:13 PM
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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 01:35 PM
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OK, so it’s buggered up somewhere and you know it, from the info you gave and the title being forged what are you actually asking?

it’s a late model shovel engine and looks to be a Shovel frame from the oil tank picture, two decades and two engine series away from what the paper you have states it is.
Title is probably legit, problem is the motor it's attached to is very likely not. Look at the frame neck, any numbers there or is it aftermarket? Even then there will ID numbers stamped somewhere on it. Is there a blue tag or state issued ID tag anywhere on the machine? It will be on the frame somewhere if there is. engines definitely a shovel and you called it as being a parts built machine. Sorting out what will take more pictures and we are trying to help you here, nobody wants to someone get in over their head not understanding what they have and potential issues.

Funky numbers and the right cop is instant go to jail with all kinda legal problems raining on you and say by by to the bike, it's gone.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 03:50 PM
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So i am to believe the 1940 EL number an EL number they made 3000 plus of them in 1940 really /// maybe 1200
 
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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 03:52 PM
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He posted it was a knucklehead on the title 36-47, which would be engine number vin only correct?
that was my reference that looks like a more modern vin number stamped shovel frame, 1969/70 era with a cone shovel and electric starter
 
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Old Nov 12, 2023 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 7mm mag
You guys need to relax, its not stolen, its a registered and titled bike. The title says its a knuckle but obviously its a shovel. Its been built with a mix of parts apparently but there is no reason to assume that it's stolen. Stop the BS please.
Right...and my sister is a Virgin!!!
Once you had a Harley Stolen...you May think differently!!!! BTDT
Edit; Luckily for you, it is Not a VIN... that is Federal everywhere... except maybe Mexico...or China... If being used as a VIN.... welp...Hang on to yer ***

BTW, You Asked....
 

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Originally Posted by 7mm mag
Got a shovelhead from a family member and its a bit of a Frankenstein. The vin stamp on the crankcase can't be right. I need to replace the pushrod seals and hopefully find a repair manual but I need to get this thing id'd first. Anybody know what I'm looking at here?
Welcome to the forum. What did the family member say when you asked them about it?

As stated above it’s a Knucklehead serial number (SN) on a Shovelhead case, or at least on a Shovelhead-style case.

SNs for 1940 Knuckles began at 1000 and I have a factory photo of 1000 on a 1940 Model TA (Knuckle three-wheeler) but apparently it was a prototype for the US Army.

Other 1940 Knuckles were stamped E or EL but it’s unclear if 1940 E-series SNs began at 1000 or not due to number 1000 being used for the above-mentioned TA.
If no 1940 E-series was stamped 1000 then their SNs would have started at 1001. And we know they went as high as 5054 because there is a factory photo of it. Did SNs for 1940 Knuckles go beyond 5054? Maybe, but even if they did it wouldn’t have been by much. Anyway 4945 is within the known range but was 4945 originally assigned to an engine stamped EL? I do not know. It’s possible but it’s also possible 4945 was originally assigned to an engine stamped E because SNs for the 1940 E-series were mixed in together due to their engines being in the same family. One way to know for certain would be to have original documentation but you don’t have that and even if you did the SN isn’t on a Knucklehead engine anymore.

On the rear head 07 66 is a casting number used for 1966–69 and into the 1970s. On the front head you may find casting number 05 66. On top of both heads on the R-H side you may find a date code indicating the month and year each head was cast.

I can’t tell if the cases are H-D or aftermarket. If H-D and if 1970–74 you may find a crankcase production number under each case near the outer edges and somewhat toward the front. For example 170-1234. Photos?

In your photo below are there markings on top of the cases at the rear? Or nothing?





Also notice the arrow I placed near the front of the seat. Can you remove the seat and post a photo of that area of the frame please. Photos of both sides of the steering head may also help with frame ID.

Starter cover is 1970 or later because it is recessed to accommodate an exhaust pipe.
Under the trans case you may find a casting number. Maybe 34703 65? Or something different?
Stamped on the front of the trans case on the R-H side just below where the lid attaches you may find an additional original component identifying number, aka security code, aka anti-theft number. For example F1234. Photo?
Eric
 
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