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Old Dec 2, 2017 | 08:43 AM
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Certain belts can hold up to large horsepower and doesn't stretch with no maint involved. Just wondering why they are removed from a softail? larger tire?
Yea, larger tire also had an issue with belts breaking. 2 belts on 3 months. As for the sprocket from Zippers it didn't even last 1500 miles... The teeth looked like waves rolling over on the beach.... Junk....... As well as the RK chain...
Just so you know both times the belt broke, snapped, whatever you want to call it was when I was getting on it real hard, power shifting and grabbing second gear..
 

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Old Dec 2, 2017 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Yea, larger tire also had an issue with belts breaking. 2 belts on 3 months. As for the sprocket from Zippers it didn't even last 1500 miles... The teeth looked like waves rolling over on the beach.... Junk....... As well as the RK chain...
Just so you know both times the belt broke, snapped, whatever you want to call it was when I was getting on it real hard, power shifting and grabbing second gear..

If you were breaking belts, it's likely you had an alignment problem on the belt after change.. Have not used RK but to hook the teeth like that the chain was stretched. It's possible that the sprocket was cut a wrong pitch circle? Roller od didn't match the sprocket? While alignment is less important on chains compared to belts, they will have issues if it's alignment is off. All the chain suppliers have different levels of chains..
 
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Ya, chain is stronger but have a Harley side car belt with the same belt on it's 8th or 9th year, no I don't do burn outs or slam gears and maybe why it has survived but has always had 100-140 hp on it. The only time the belt gets adjusted is when the rear tire is changed but my primary chain needs more attention, it does stretch.

Wow, that rear pulley is plain worn out, had to be a hardness problem, a shock load has nothing to do with a saw tooth wear pattern. Zippers has a great name but looks like a bad product.

Get a hold of our buddy Jasper and see what chain drive system he is running, his middle name is abuse.
 
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Actually I'm starting to calm down a bit.. tired of fixing ****. There is no doubt in mind that belt on the rear and chain on the front is the best way to go. Less maintenance, smoother and quieter running... Thinking the next tire change might go back to OEM set up with the 1 1/2" belt....
 
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https://www.harley-davidson.com/stor...40130-03a#tabs

http://www.*****************/forums/...t-upgrade.html

Stuff to look at, not preaching a belt is better, just my own experience of something that worked
 
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Second link doesn't work.........
 
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Old Dec 3, 2017 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 1997bagger
Ya, chain is stronger but have a Harley side car belt with the same belt on it's 8th or 9th year, no I don't do burn outs or slam gears and maybe why it has survived but has always had 100-140 hp on it. The only time the belt gets adjusted is when the rear tire is changed but my primary chain needs more attention, it does stretch.

Wow, that rear pulley is plain worn out, had to be a hardness problem, a shock load has nothing to do with a saw tooth wear pattern. Zippers has a great name but looks like a bad product.

Get a hold of our buddy Jasper and see what chain drive system he is running, his middle name is abuse.

heh, i actually clicked on this cause i'm in the market for another chain (almost 5 years and ~ 25k ish on this EK ZZZ 530, and while it hasnt stretched, it's been gritty for a while now)

on my 3rd sprocket (i was using the "alloy" sprockets...ya know, lighter weight, less reciprocating mass, etc etc), but they dont last. first one (53t) made it ~ 5000 miles...second one (49t) lasted a bit longer, but final drive was a bit too tall (i missed being able to stand that big bitch up in 3 gears), so newest is a steel sprocket @ 50t, coupled with a new 24t front sprocket)

yea...i can be hard on em (here's the 53t vs the 49t when i swapped em)

New D.I.D. Secondary Chain.......-wd04tvh.jpg


believe the newest one is a Baker unit (i know the front is at least)....rear might be sprocketspecialties.


I might give this DID chain a try...couldnt hurt, especially since they seem to be ~ $150ish, vs the EK @ $230+

ooh....they even come in RED


we'll see. likely going to be doing some stupid projects to the RK once i find some free time....mod swingarm

( https://www.rbracing-rsr.com/swingarm.html )

mmm, pretty.

and Frank over @ Drago's has what he lovingly refers to as his "Punisher" kit for the crate 124's....oughta put me somewhere near 155-160hp/tq at the rear wheel.
 

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Originally Posted by Jasper86
heh,
Frank over @ Drago's has what he lovingly refers to as his "Punisher" kit for the crate 124's....oughta put me somewhere near 155-160hp/tq at the rear wheel.
Procharger, quit f**king around and get it over with. Frank sells them too.
 
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Originally Posted by Jasper86
heh, i actually clicked on this cause i'm in the market for another chain (almost 5 years and ~ 25k ish on this EK ZZZ 530, and while it hasnt stretched, it's been gritty for a while now)

on my 3rd sprocket (i was using the "alloy" sprockets...ya know, lighter weight, less reciprocating mass, etc etc), but they dont last. first one (53t) made it ~ 5000 miles...second one (49t) lasted a bit longer, but final drive was a bit too tall (i missed being able to stand that big bitch up in 3 gears), so newest is a steel sprocket @ 50t, coupled with a new 24t front sprocket)

yea...i can be hard on em (here's the 53t vs the 49t when i swapped em)




believe the newest one is a Baker unit (i know the front is at least)....rear might be sprocketspecialties.


I might give this DID chain a try...couldnt hurt, especially since they seem to be ~ $150ish, vs the EK @ $230+

ooh....they even come in RED


we'll see. likely going to be doing some stupid projects to the RK once i find some free time....mod swingarm

( https://www.rbracing-rsr.com/swingarm.html )

mmm, pretty.

and Frank over @ Drago's has what he lovingly refers to as his "Punisher" kit for the crate 124's....oughta put me somewhere near 155-160hp/tq at the rear wheel.
That RB swing arm is definitely a nice unit... What was the tensile strength of your EK 530 chain? Just so you know an Alloy rear sprocket will never hold up. Also the amount of teeth on it is not going to make any difference in how long it's going to last... although it will make a difference in amount of torque to the rear wheel... It's all about ratio's.. Steel is the only way to go.. Period..... and yes it will require replacing around 10-12k... on a serious build....

Bagger just so you know the chain had nothing to do with the amount of time it lasted. The true culprit was that the gussets on the rear sprocket elongated so much that it took out the chain.. Not the other way around... The sprocket could not handle the power that was applied to it... I probably should've called Pete at Zippers and had him do me some kind of upgrade or something but I figured i would've been in talking to a wall..... No one will admit that some of the equipment that they sell is garbage....
 
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Old Dec 3, 2017 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
That RB swing arm is definitely a nice unit... What was the tensile strength of your EK 530 chain? Just so you know an Alloy rear sprocket will never hold up. Also the amount of teeth on it is not going to make any difference in how long it's going to last... although it will make a difference in amount of torque to the rear wheel... It's all about ratio's.. Steel is the only way to go.. Period..... and yes it will require replacing around 10-12k... on a serious build....

Bagger just so you know the chain had nothing to do with the amount of time it lasted. The true culprit was that the gussets on the rear sprocket elongated so much that it took out the chain.. Not the other way around... The sprocket could not handle the power that was applied to it... I probably should've called Pete at Zippers and had him do me some kind of upgrade or something but I figured i would've been in talking to a wall..... No one will admit that some of the equipment that they sell is garbage....
What's a serious build? 100h Hp / Tq.. How about 144/146? This sprocket has about 18K on it.. Lasted longer than the first SnS crank..




Maybe you should spend time to figure out what you are doing wrong.
 
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