1967 Softail???
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When a Company is bought out, their product is assumed in its entirety, all patent rights, Advertising rights, Liability and Warranties past and present are absorbed by the new buyer. They can change the name, as in this case from Sub-Shock to Softail but the new owner gets the whole shebang as Owner in Whole of the bought-out brand. The fact is that this bike IS titled as a Harley-Davidson and is very well documented. This may be splitting hairs here. Whether it's a prototype of the Harley-Davidson Softail or not will be up to the new buyer. So, just saying....
It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other on this particular bike. I just think its marketing BS to hype the sale. I would be proud to own it and I would absolutely hype it myself if I did own it. There are collectors who have more money than they know what to do with and they will pay for this sort of folklore marketing BS. Its all good…
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Road Warrior
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So, Harley-Davidson did not buy out "Road Works" in its entirety. They only bought patent rights and changed the name to "Softail". Got it. I stand corrected. When I posted this listing almost 2 weeks ago, I never imagined the journey through minutiae we would all be taking. lol!
I still do consider it a "prototype" being correct as listed. Harley-Davidson does. Road Works does. Mecum Auctions does. I think we all should. There will always be a few offended puritan holdouts! As the history around us all gets ever more distant in the rear-view mirror, it's good to have the HDF collective to keep us righteous, because no one really knows it all. (Some here may argue that they do!) The collective mind is always greater than the sum of all its parts.
This is an important piece of the Harley-Davidson saga. Interesting, Rare and only a few still exist. I will be attending the auction, or at least viewing it online if I am not there that day. I dont expect to bid on it. There are quite a few other interesting bikes crossing the block that week.
I still do consider it a "prototype" being correct as listed. Harley-Davidson does. Road Works does. Mecum Auctions does. I think we all should. There will always be a few offended puritan holdouts! As the history around us all gets ever more distant in the rear-view mirror, it's good to have the HDF collective to keep us righteous, because no one really knows it all. (Some here may argue that they do!) The collective mind is always greater than the sum of all its parts.
This is an important piece of the Harley-Davidson saga. Interesting, Rare and only a few still exist. I will be attending the auction, or at least viewing it online if I am not there that day. I dont expect to bid on it. There are quite a few other interesting bikes crossing the block that week.
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So, Harley-Davidson did not buy out "Road Works" in its entirety. They only bought patent rights and changed the name to "Softail". Got it. I stand corrected. When I posted this listing almost 2 weeks ago, I never imagined the journey through minutiae we would all be taking. lol!
I still do consider it a "prototype" being correct as listed. Harley-Davidson does. Road Works does. Mecum Auctions does. I think we all should. There will always be a few offended puritan holdouts! As the history around us all gets ever more distant in the rear-view mirror, it's good to have the HDF collective to keep us righteous, because no one really knows it all. (Some here may argue that they do!) The collective mind is always greater than the sum of all its parts.
This is an important piece of the Harley-Davidson saga. I will be attending the auction, or at least viewing it online if I am not there that day. I dont expect to bid on it. There are quite a few interesting bikes crossing the block that week.
I still do consider it a "prototype" being correct as listed. Harley-Davidson does. Road Works does. Mecum Auctions does. I think we all should. There will always be a few offended puritan holdouts! As the history around us all gets ever more distant in the rear-view mirror, it's good to have the HDF collective to keep us righteous, because no one really knows it all. (Some here may argue that they do!) The collective mind is always greater than the sum of all its parts.
This is an important piece of the Harley-Davidson saga. I will be attending the auction, or at least viewing it online if I am not there that day. I dont expect to bid on it. There are quite a few interesting bikes crossing the block that week.
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Road Warrior
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Honestly, 20K seems really low to me. Any original shovelhead or custom shovelhead for that matter seems to be approaching that price I'll go closer to 45-50 K but that's just a guess and may be more of an appraisal...the bike is well storied, and it will depend on the money in the room that day.
Anyone else care to hazard a guess???
Anyone else care to hazard a guess???
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Honestly, 20K seems really low to me. Any original shovelhead or custom shovelhead for that matter seems to be approaching that price I'll go closer to 45-50 K but that's just a guess and may be more of an appraisal...the bike is well storied, and it will depend on the money in the room that day.
Anyone else care to hazard a guess???
Anyone else care to hazard a guess???
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Road Warrior
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It's anybody's guess until the auction hammer drops. Mecum doesn't put out an estimate like Barrett Jackson and some other auction houses do. I'm interested to see if the economy woes are going to have an influence on these collectors' motorcycles. There are 15 or more entire collections appearing in this auction. We may see some low prices while collectors are trying to liquidate. That's the perfect time for people like me to jump in. I for one will be checking the "newer lots" on a daily basis I really dont need another bike, but that won't stop me from looking.
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Interesting excerpt quote found online...
"Harley executive Jeff Bleustein – who later became the company President & CEO – immediately contacted Davis and made him an offer to sell to H-D all his patents, prototypes, jigs and tooling."
Did You Know? The Story Of The Harley-Davidson Softail Frame. at Cyril Huze Post – Custom Motorcycle News (cyrilhuzeblog.com)
"Harley executive Jeff Bleustein – who later became the company President & CEO – immediately contacted Davis and made him an offer to sell to H-D all his patents, prototypes, jigs and tooling."
Did You Know? The Story Of The Harley-Davidson Softail Frame. at Cyril Huze Post – Custom Motorcycle News (cyrilhuzeblog.com)
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A pristine 1967 FLH is $22k to about $30k, as you all know, the more original the better. Original paint is all the rage right now.
A really nice 1967 Shovel custom/chopper would be hard pressed to break $20k.
So now it all goes back to the story, what you believe and if it makes you keep raising your hand.
It will be all about who is in the room and who needs it.
A really nice 1967 Shovel custom/chopper would be hard pressed to break $20k.
So now it all goes back to the story, what you believe and if it makes you keep raising your hand.
It will be all about who is in the room and who needs it.
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Interesting excerpt quote found online...
"Harley executive Jeff Bleustein who later became the company President & CEO immediately contacted Davis and made him an offer to sell to H-D all his patents, prototypes, jigs and tooling."
Did You Know? The Story Of The Harley-Davidson Softail Frame. at Cyril Huze Post Custom Motorcycle News (cyrilhuzeblog.com)
"Harley executive Jeff Bleustein who later became the company President & CEO immediately contacted Davis and made him an offer to sell to H-D all his patents, prototypes, jigs and tooling."
Did You Know? The Story Of The Harley-Davidson Softail Frame. at Cyril Huze Post Custom Motorcycle News (cyrilhuzeblog.com)
Another piece of folklore Harley didnt immediately make an offer. From the time he first reached out to Harley until they got serious and started negotiations was months. They were cash strapped and concentrating on other engineering challenges like finishing the Evo.
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I found it on the internet. Thought it was interesting. Take it with a grain of salt. As a poster and reader, I assume no credibility for any piece if information glommed off the internet. This forum included. Let the reader beware....
Aint technology great???
Aint technology great???