Floor boards dug in
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Tourer
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From: Easton, Pa.
RE: Floor boards dug in
Answer. No that is not my Softtail. Second when I said floor boards. On the bike that is in picture. The guard rail hides the driver side floor board. Right side were the floor board hinges up is were it is torn from bike. Frame damage. On road way, can see a scrape, than a dig in so to speak, Blacktop hole about 4 inches long, 2 inches deep.
I drove up as they loaded both riders in ambulance. NY plates on bike. NY trooper, Broken bones legs and arms. both riders.
Tight corner s bend toooooo hot/fast, my guess.
On my Softail I have dragged this same spot right were the floorboards hinges.
Keep the rubber down
I drove up as they loaded both riders in ambulance. NY plates on bike. NY trooper, Broken bones legs and arms. both riders.
Tight corner s bend toooooo hot/fast, my guess.
On my Softail I have dragged this same spot right were the floorboards hinges.
Keep the rubber down
Big Kahuna HDF Member
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From: Oregon
RE: Floor boards dug in
That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Floorboards are weak and they alsohinge upward as do foot pegs.
I have owned Heritages and currently own one. I scrape the floorboards regularly and also scrape pegs on the Deuce and the Wide Glide. I also scrape the heels on my boots on the bikes with pegs (which also hinge upward.)
You have to get over farther and contact something solid to unload the weight from the tires.
I feel bad for the folks on that bike. That's a bummer and a lesson to all of us, imho.
Thanks again.
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From: Rochester, NY
RE: Floor boards dug in
OK, I'll buy that explination. But I'm still a bit puzzled at how the bikeended up tangled in the wires facing the direction of travel.
The only rational explination I can come up with is that when thefloorboard dug in it popped the bike nearly upright just before it impacted with the wires. That's the only way the bike could have gotten caught upin and flipped over the wires like that.
If it had stayed downlike it should have most of the bike's mass would have been under the wires before they made contact and flipping over the top would have been out of the question.
I would love to see a copy of theaccident investigationreport. The NYS Police have a really good track record for figuring out exactly what happened.
In any event I'm glad nobody got killed or maimed. Getting into those cable style guard rails or the older wooden ones can do some serious damage to you. They won't do a bike a hell of a lot of good either, but who care's. Bike's may be expensive, but they arereplacable.
The only rational explination I can come up with is that when thefloorboard dug in it popped the bike nearly upright just before it impacted with the wires. That's the only way the bike could have gotten caught upin and flipped over the wires like that.
If it had stayed downlike it should have most of the bike's mass would have been under the wires before they made contact and flipping over the top would have been out of the question.
I would love to see a copy of theaccident investigationreport. The NYS Police have a really good track record for figuring out exactly what happened.
In any event I'm glad nobody got killed or maimed. Getting into those cable style guard rails or the older wooden ones can do some serious damage to you. They won't do a bike a hell of a lot of good either, but who care's. Bike's may be expensive, but they arereplacable.
Cruiser
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RE: Floor boards dug in
ORIGINAL: Citoriplus
OK, I'll buy that explination. But I'm still a bit puzzled at how the bikeended up tangled in the wires facing the direction of travel.
The only rational explination I can come up with is that when thefloorboard dug in it popped the bike nearly upright just before it impacted with the wires. That's the only way the bike could have gotten caught upin and flipped over the wires like that.
If it had stayed downlike it should have most of the bike's mass would have been under the wires before they made contact and flipping over the top would have been out of the question.
I would love to see a copy of theaccident investigationreport. The NYS Police have a really good track record for figuring out exactly what happened.
In any event I'm glad nobody got killed or maimed. Getting into those cable style guard rails or the older wooden ones can do some serious damage to you. They won't do a bike a hell of a lot of good either, but who care's. Bike's may be expensive, but they arereplacable.
OK, I'll buy that explination. But I'm still a bit puzzled at how the bikeended up tangled in the wires facing the direction of travel.
The only rational explination I can come up with is that when thefloorboard dug in it popped the bike nearly upright just before it impacted with the wires. That's the only way the bike could have gotten caught upin and flipped over the wires like that.
If it had stayed downlike it should have most of the bike's mass would have been under the wires before they made contact and flipping over the top would have been out of the question.
I would love to see a copy of theaccident investigationreport. The NYS Police have a really good track record for figuring out exactly what happened.
In any event I'm glad nobody got killed or maimed. Getting into those cable style guard rails or the older wooden ones can do some serious damage to you. They won't do a bike a hell of a lot of good either, but who care's. Bike's may be expensive, but they arereplacable.
Road Master
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From: So. Cal
RE: Floor boards dug in
Speaking from personal experience,the floorboards won't cause this,but like some of the other posts have said,dig a soild part (like the floorboard bracket) into the asphalt and you'll be in that same position faster than you can believe.I was lucky when I did it there was no cable barrier in the way and I was able to ride it out on the dirt shoulder.Call it high siding,tripoding what ever you want it happens fast and you have no control.
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From: Rochester, NY
RE: Floor boards dug in
ORIGINAL: drummer3278
Hey Citoriplus, have youthoughtabout being an accident investigator?
Hey Citoriplus, have youthoughtabout being an accident investigator?
But the mechanics or physics ofhow things "work"or "happen" has alwaysinterested me.
Guess even at 58I haven'tcompletely outgrown being the 10 year old kid whotookeverything he could apart to see what made them "tick". Used to drive my father nuts when I did that because like any other 10 year old. I rarely had anyidea what the hell I was getting into and didn't always get whatever I took apart back together properly.
Big Kahuna HDF Member
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From: Oregon
RE: Floor boards dug in
ORIGINAL: Citoriplus
OK, I'll buy that explination. But I'm still a bit puzzled at how the bikeended up tangled in the wires facing the direction of travel.
The only rational explination I can come up with is that when thefloorboard dug in it popped the bike nearly upright just before it impacted with the wires. That's the only way the bike could have gotten caught upin and flipped over the wires like that.
If it had stayed downlike it should have most of the bike's mass would have been under the wires before they made contact and flipping over the top would have been out of the question.
I would love to see a copy of theaccident investigationreport. The NYS Police have a really good track record for figuring out exactly what happened.
In any event I'm glad nobody got killed or maimed. Getting into those cable style guard rails or the older wooden ones can do some serious damage to you. They won't do a bike a hell of a lot of good either, but who care's. Bike's may be expensive, but they arereplacable.
OK, I'll buy that explination. But I'm still a bit puzzled at how the bikeended up tangled in the wires facing the direction of travel.
The only rational explination I can come up with is that when thefloorboard dug in it popped the bike nearly upright just before it impacted with the wires. That's the only way the bike could have gotten caught upin and flipped over the wires like that.
If it had stayed downlike it should have most of the bike's mass would have been under the wires before they made contact and flipping over the top would have been out of the question.
I would love to see a copy of theaccident investigationreport. The NYS Police have a really good track record for figuring out exactly what happened.
In any event I'm glad nobody got killed or maimed. Getting into those cable style guard rails or the older wooden ones can do some serious damage to you. They won't do a bike a hell of a lot of good either, but who care's. Bike's may be expensive, but they arereplacable.
If the tires got another bite from there while sliding sidewayshe could have flipped up and over. That's high siding.
Another thing I see is that guard rail post right by the rear tire. Could it be that he skidded wheels first (low sided) and hit that post with the rear tire and that flipped him over the cables?
Dunno, just curious...
I'm suspecting that hemight have beena good and trained rider who got into a corner too fast and exceeded the max lean angle of the scoot. If counter steering etc. isn't a practiced instinct, he'll never get that much lean in an emergency.
Just speculating...
PS Just thought - what if he weren't trained, was too fast in the corner and hit the brakes hard? That would put him down.
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From: Rochester, NY
RE: Floor boards dug in
ORIGINAL: JBaker421
Just speculating...
Just speculating...
But it is an interesting exercise in logic, and a good way to remind ourselves that getting a little too ambitious (read stupid) with a big assedHarley in the twisties can have some ugly consequences.
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RE: Floor boards dug in
A wider angle shot, or one of the roadway leading up to the bike would provide the information in the form of yaw marks, skids marks or skuff marks.......and of course..the dreaded "no marks at all"...and we all know what that means.....
Either way.......its a sad event.........hope they recover fully. Like Ive always been told, there are 2 kinds of bikers....those that have been down and those that are gonna go down........I fall into catagory one...more than one time, lol.
Either way.......its a sad event.........hope they recover fully. Like Ive always been told, there are 2 kinds of bikers....those that have been down and those that are gonna go down........I fall into catagory one...more than one time, lol.
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