96 vs 103 vs 110 vs 113 vs Jims
My friends dad had a 113 and had nothing but problems. another guy has a jims 120 that I dont expect to last, as hes already been thru 3 motors. And another friend is putting the finishing touches on a 145ci build.
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If it were me I would ride what you got till you either break it or needs a rebuild then do whatever you want. It's only $$$ It is true those big cube motors are short lived, not made for the long haul. I'd rather ride than work on it all the time, JMO
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I wouldn't increase the stoke anymore. Get a high-performance kit that maintains the 96's stroke, for reliability. You can go up to at least 107" without stroking it.
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Hi guys,
I have just been reading your threads and it sounds like I'm on a similar mission. Me and my 2009 Fat Boy are looking for more POWER! and I have been told by my local dealer that the way to go is a S14 1690 Race kit (part # 27516-08). At the moment it is a stocker with the 1584cc. I was thinking about the 110 big bore but the dealer tell me I'll get a 130BHP from the smaller 1690 upgrade and only 80BHP from the 110 regular Screamin' Eagle, is this true?
My other concern is the durability, how many miles can I expect to get out of a race kit?
My third and final question is what will it do to my MPG? As I don't have to many "Bucks to Bang".
I would really appreciate any light you can throw on this subject.
Cheers
I have just been reading your threads and it sounds like I'm on a similar mission. Me and my 2009 Fat Boy are looking for more POWER! and I have been told by my local dealer that the way to go is a S14 1690 Race kit (part # 27516-08). At the moment it is a stocker with the 1584cc. I was thinking about the 110 big bore but the dealer tell me I'll get a 130BHP from the smaller 1690 upgrade and only 80BHP from the 110 regular Screamin' Eagle, is this true?
My other concern is the durability, how many miles can I expect to get out of a race kit?
My third and final question is what will it do to my MPG? As I don't have to many "Bucks to Bang".
I would really appreciate any light you can throw on this subject.
Cheers
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Don't have the dealer do it.
There are several reputable builders out there that can assemble a 103 that will vastly outperform a CVO 110, will run cool, return reasonable mileage, and last. A reputable builder will warranty their work, the rest of the bike will still be covered by the MoCo's warranty.
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a 103 which will deliver somewhere in the neighborhood of 120/120. It'll cost me a bit more than you since I'm starting with an 88, but to my mind, a 103 is about as far as you can go without beginning to compromise engine life. For somewhere around 4 grand (assuming you already have a decent exhaust, A/C, and tuning device) you can get a fire-breathing 103 with a custom tune that'll last.
There are several reputable builders out there that can assemble a 103 that will vastly outperform a CVO 110, will run cool, return reasonable mileage, and last. A reputable builder will warranty their work, the rest of the bike will still be covered by the MoCo's warranty.
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a 103 which will deliver somewhere in the neighborhood of 120/120. It'll cost me a bit more than you since I'm starting with an 88, but to my mind, a 103 is about as far as you can go without beginning to compromise engine life. For somewhere around 4 grand (assuming you already have a decent exhaust, A/C, and tuning device) you can get a fire-breathing 103 with a custom tune that'll last.
Last edited by '05Train; Aug 29, 2009 at 09:18 AM.
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I went the same way on my 07 Fatboy (SE 103" stage 4). I didn't want to split the cases - just wanted to get it going. It's a real cracker, I went with the 257's instead of the SE 260's - that size cam is probably just a little to big for us down under on our little highways!
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This is not necessarily the case. Guy Dalton (Dalton here on forum) has a Head-Quarters 120" in his '07 bagger, and he's pushing 30k miles on it already. My little 103" makes 107/107, and I've had no problems so far (but it's getting pulled apart in Oct to build a 113").
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There are other things to consider too in a build. If you can get the engine revving higher, you can gear the bike down too... the stock V-Rod's 70tq pushes harder than a stock Dyna's 85tq because it's got almost twice the gearing advantage. If you can get another 1-2k useful rpms out of an engine, you can really gear it down.
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You guys looking for 120+ HP. After you push these motors that far, can you still cruse them slow down the street without problems. Or is it like a car that won't make power until your at 3500rpm?
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Don't have the dealer do it.
There are several reputable builders out there that can assemble a 103 that will vastly outperform a CVO 110, will run cool, return reasonable mileage, and last. A reputable builder will warranty their work, the rest of the bike will still be covered by the MoCo's warranty.
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a 103 which will deliver somewhere in the neighborhood of 120/120. It'll cost me a bit more than you since I'm starting with an 88, but to my mind, a 103 is about as far as you can go without beginning to compromise engine life. For somewhere around 4 grand (assuming you already have a decent exhaust, A/C, and tuning device) you can get a fire-breathing 103 with a custom tune that'll last.
There are several reputable builders out there that can assemble a 103 that will vastly outperform a CVO 110, will run cool, return reasonable mileage, and last. A reputable builder will warranty their work, the rest of the bike will still be covered by the MoCo's warranty.
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a 103 which will deliver somewhere in the neighborhood of 120/120. It'll cost me a bit more than you since I'm starting with an 88, but to my mind, a 103 is about as far as you can go without beginning to compromise engine life. For somewhere around 4 grand (assuming you already have a decent exhaust, A/C, and tuning device) you can get a fire-breathing 103 with a custom tune that'll last.
Like others have stated above, Head Quarters has an excellent reputation. If I'd ever scrape up that kind of coin they're the ones I'd go with. My dealer has also worked with their kits and says they're top notch.