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I've done several on metric bikes. Same carbs as HD runs though. The carb work isn't as hard as getting it out and back in the bike. I would think Harley's are pretty easy to remove/replace too.
That carb is really simple. It is also a real smooth running dependable carb. I've re jetted and changed needles in them. Piece of cake. I've never installed a thunderslide kit because I don't think it will improve a really great carb. There is a lighter spring for the slide from the 44m.m. C.V. that might help. The needle for an '88 1200 Sportster works great. I've heard increasing the hole in the slide to 1/8" helps something, but what, a properly setup C.V. is the best stock carb Harley ever used. I've seen really hot 95" bikes using stock C.V.s run like a scalded dog. I've also heard of disappointed thunder slide users.
I've read some stuff over on the fuel/carb forum about the 1200 jet decreasing mpg and have a friend who has the TS and loves the results.
Seems the kit comes with a spring as well so it may be a similar result as changing to the 44mm's spring.
I have already removed the plug for the a/f mixture and have it out three turns.That was a huge improvement right there.I am having a spit back through the carb problem now because of the cold weather.The bike ran great in the summer.I am going to try the sportster needle thing this Saturday.I would be hard pressed to say Joe Minton is a idiot.I am going to try it,he claims everything else should be good to go with a stock motor,open a/c and baffles or mufflers in place.
Let me know if you have any tips after your mod. I plan on doing the same thing this weekend except without the slide. I am a little concerned about picking correct jets.
Good luck
Start out buying one up and one down from what's in there now. They're cheap enuff) then check it out.
I've read some stuff over on the fuel/carb forum about the 1200 jet decreasing mpg and have a friend who has the TS and loves the results.
Seems the kit comes with a spring as well so it may be a similar result as changing to the 44mm's spring.
You don't change the main jet, just the needle. They recalled my '02 and put in a leaner running needle. I made them give me back my old one and changed it right back. I'm at nearly 6000 ft. so my set up would have been different than most but I just changed to a 48 pilot jet and knocked out the welsh plug to adjust the idle mixture, which really affects up to about half throttle. If milage is the issue don't even go to the open aircleaner and free flowing pipes because they will adversely affect milage too! Mostly milage is controlled by your right hand. That Sportster needle is the trick, but run your thunderslide if you want. There is really no magical carb that will turn a stocker into a firebreather.
I'm not really sure about the Sportster needle since I have no first hand experience or know anyone personally who does. I based my thoughts for the DJ kit and not changing the needle on HDTech's thread in the fuel/carb forum. My low speed jet is a 48 and the main jet is stock, so based on this info from HDTech, I think I should be ok without any kit. Unless I have to change the 48 to a 46. Milage is not a huge deal since it already get 40+, I was just stating what HDTech mentions. I'm not looking for a firebreather just a setup that fits the pipes and a/c I will be running/am already running. Sounds like I may just have to get into it and figure out what works best for me.
Thanks guys...
A tried and true for "most" carbs in twin cam bikes for rejetting with intake and exhaust mods would be on the low speed jet 45/46 (46 being the best usually), and on the high speed jet would be 185/190 (190 usually being stock). Install 2 - #4 washers (available in most hardware stores) under the main jet needle to raise it up .050 (see detail below), and readjust the idle mixture to the highest and steadiest setting, usually found about 2 1/2 to 3 turns open after LIGHTLY seating it and backing it out. This is done after the removal of the concealment plug that covers the idle screw from the factory. Care should be taken when drilling a hole to remove this conceament plug because if the drill goes through the plug and contacts the screw, it can turn the screw in and bottom it out damaging the seat of the mixture adjustment. All adjustments to mixture should be made at full operating temps. This mod will set you back about $4-$5 total.
This can be done without removing the carb by rotating it slightly for better access to the screws and works best with a stage 1 intake kit. Using the stock air cleaner would cause a rich condition with this proceedure.
Refer to the other CV Carb posts in this area for more info and pictures of the carb to help you out here.
The installation of the washers is an easy thing to do and is pretty much straight foward. It just takes a little patients to seat the diaphram back into the groove when you reassemble it. No experience needed, just straight foward common sense using a light handed circular motion to gather it up and drop into the groove in the carb body, You'll feel it drop in when you do it .The washers go under the ring on the needle after lifting it out of the diaphram to raise it up in the assembly as seen in the pic at the bottom here .
I prefer not to drill the vacuum port in the slide. It can cause pop backs under certain conditions in cold weather and low RPM's.Also slide spring replacement for a weaker one or cutting the origional one is also optional here.
I prefer this method to replacement of the main jet needle as not all know how to determine which needle would be the best for their application and it eliminates the guesswork. It also does not require dyno runs to validate the results. It works in most cases as a cut and dry method of getting a seat of the pants improvement without the time and expense of the DJ carb and other kits at $60-$100 and does not kill your MPG like the kits or sporty needle has done.
Some people decide to use the sporty needle # 27094-88 in their upgrade. These are my feelings on doing this. That needle comes from a carb that had NO accelerator pump and when you install it in a carb that does have an accelerator pump, it for sure will give you more fuel when you get into the accelerator circuit, but I feel it gives you too much fuel at that time and that's why I prefer the shimming with washers against the replacement of the needle to the sportster needle. The taper of the stock needle is more condusive to better mileage than the sporty needle is and if you were to ride two identical bikes with the two different setups, you really could not tell the difference.
This is some very helpful info and I second the "thanks". My set up is same with a 48 (too big I think) low and stock main. I will use this info this weekend and try a 46 low and one size up on main. It seems the mixture screw will have alot to do with it. I changed pipes from slip ons and going with after market A/C. I hope tthis will stop the "coughing" from carb.
I currently have 2 bikes 04 Roadking and a 03 Heritage. Both have a carb and aftermarket exhaust. This work very well on both my bikes.
Drill out the airsrcew cap, install #46 pilot, add .021 washer under needle and for both my bikes this is spot on. Be sure to adjust air screw when engine is hot (wear a glove) for best idle, then out just a 1/4 turn. This will retain good fuel mileage, never spit back & it will run good. Good Luck!
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