Samson True duals install woes....
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Just to clear the air here over pipes Samson makes they are all made in a time proven jig. They have all been made in quantity the same way for many many years ever since we invented the crossover system. The best tool to use for the rear lower nut is a swivel socket. It slips right over the nut easily and does the job. Even on the stock pipes you will have difficulty with a bulky box end wrench. The 1/4" drive is best.
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JR
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JR
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could it be that some of the discounters are selling knock off samsons? Ghostriders clearly stated that "his" samsons did not have the same bend that two other samsons did. If the man says that a socket would not fit between the header and the nut, I believe him
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I installed the system last year. I have every imaginable style socket that can be purchased from Snap-On, Proto and Craftsman. Yes, I tried a 1/4" drive swivel socket. No, it would not fit. Like was mentioned earlier two other owners of Samson duals agreed that my rear head pipe did not have the same radius as theirs did. I did not come here to bash Samson Exhaust. But, to merely state that my rear head pipe was not right. Just as the OP's. Other than that one issue the system was flawless and I have and always will prefer Samson Exhaust over all others. So, please don't come in behind me and question my knowledge or ability. But you can come in behind me and admit that sometimes, maybe every so often, Samson's QC might be napping when a system gets boxed up.
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I just installed a set two weeks ago and yes it hard at first.what I did was buy samsons flange kit because my harley flanges didnt give me the clearence. Once I had them on. I moved the header up or down cant remember wicht way gave me the clerance. Once I could get my wobbly in . I tighten them. Then I stalled the u bend pipe.. Pm me. I could explain better
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1 2 many, I'm calling you a liar but I just don't see how a flange can change the position or angle of the head pipe. For the simple fact that the head pipe still has to seal flush against the exhaust gasket. The only way the position or angle of the pipe can be changed is if the matting surfaces of the gasket and that of the pipe are changed or you will experience a leak. In other words, you can't move the pipe up, down or side to side by simply changing the flange. Because, if you do then the mating surfaces of the pipe and that of the exhaust gasket will no longer be parallel. Which will result in a leak.
Trust me brother samsons flange is half the size of the harley flange. I was on the same boat two weeks ago ... I used harleys screaming eagle gaskets also.
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Didn't think of that, that may have been why I didn't have any issues either...I ordered the flange kit with the pipes.
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I installed the system last year. I have every imaginable style socket that can be purchased from Snap-On, Proto and Craftsman. Yes, I tried a 1/4" drive swivel socket. No, it would not fit. Like was mentioned earlier two other owners of Samson duals agreed that my rear head pipe did not have the same radius as theirs did. I did not come here to bash Samson Exhaust. But, to merely state that my rear head pipe was not right. Just as the OP's. Other than that one issue the system was flawless and I have and always will prefer Samson Exhaust over all others. So, please don't come in behind me and question my knowledge or ability. But you can come in behind me and admit that sometimes, maybe every so often, Samson's QC might be napping when a system gets boxed up.
What doesn't make sense is if they are all made the same on a jig, why do some people have no issue and others, like me say no friggin way will a swivel fit. I had my ole lady's skinny little fingers trying to get the socket on with NO EXTENSION!!
On a side note to Samson.. This is a KIT. If the stock flange is too thick to make the radius turn and fit squarely without grinding a bevel, like I had to do. The KIT needs to contain ALL of the parts necessary for installation, including Samson's steel flanges. Other people installing these pipes without grinding the flange is proof enough for me that all of the pipes are NOT the same.
Last edited by bighatbighead; Apr 7, 2012 at 01:26 PM. Reason: NOTE to Samson