90+ degrees outside and now pinging
Stellar HDF Member
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From: Utah
OK. I never looked at one. It appears that all the adjustments can be made with the tuner. You can also monitor the AFR which is what I would recommend. That will tell you whether you are too lean at a particular head temperature.
You may also be having an issue with your IAC steps if idling is causing your bike to overheat and it shows up all the way up the rpm's until your bike cools off enough. Get the bike hot and take it back to the tuner and have him do a live monitor.
You may also be having an issue with your IAC steps if idling is causing your bike to overheat and it shows up all the way up the rpm's until your bike cools off enough. Get the bike hot and take it back to the tuner and have him do a live monitor.
Club Member
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From: 40 miles Northeast of Indy..
Shouldn't have to retune because the temp is higher..
If it just started when U changed gas stations.... duh...
I don't use Ethanol fuel if I don't have to,,, we are about 50/50 on it around here.
If that don't help them U may have to retard Ur timing a little..
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If it just started when U changed gas stations.... duh...
I don't use Ethanol fuel if I don't have to,,, we are about 50/50 on it around here.
If that don't help them U may have to retard Ur timing a little..
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Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2010
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From: Alabama
Just sayin'...I traded for my 2006 Deluxe. Pretty sure it is Stage 1 tuned. It is 90 F outside now with feels like of 96. Just came in from a ride and my oil temp is registering 200 degrees. I am pretty happy with that. This bike runs cool.
Stellar HDF Member
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From: Utah
It was dynoed when the temp was lower. If the tuner chose lean settings for mileage purposes and he is running his throttle in those ranges instead of WOT, then it will get hot. It depends upon the overrides and I don't know how a stock ECM handles them. My ThunderMax is primarily throttle position dominant if I'm not mistaken. So... if I want mileage AND performance, I set the AFR up lean up to 20% throttle (where most of us ride most of the time) and then I want to get moving I crank the throttle open and the AFR is set much richer for the higher throttle positions, I get a compromise that trys to give me the best of both worlds. You can change the timing or you can change the AFR vs. head temp but it is more complicated to do this unless you have a tach, etc. and is best done on a dyno.
3rd Gear
Joined: Jul 2012
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From: Waukesha WI
2011 FLHTK 12K miles
I'm chiming in because I'm thinking about buying a new Deluxe, so I'm seeing if the softails have any problems I haven't heard of.
Well I'm kind of disappointed to hear this one, I thought the pinging was more of a problem with the heavier bikes like my Ultra Limited. Well I tried everything to get rid of the pinging, my bike is completly stock including pipes. Changing gas, octane booster, always synthetic oil, including Amsoil and of course the 103's have an oil cooler.
Finally took it to the dealer and they said no problem. Of course they had it when the temp was 65 degrees and it really isn't a problem till it gets too 80 or better. So they said put louder pipes on it and if I still hear it when it gets warmer too bring it in.
Well I didn't put louder mufflers on, but I did try something another web site suggested and went too Nightrider.com and bought their Xied kit,(about $100) which essentially plugs into the O2 sensors and fools the computer into thinking the exhaust is too lean and automatically richens up the mixture. Now it doesn't completely get rid of the pinging, but pretty close. I don't know what it does to a warranty, but it's got to be better then putting holes in your pistons.
Pretty bad too have to do this to a $20-25K motorcycle. Any thoughts?
P.S. I don't work for Nightrider.com, also if I took the bike in for warranty I would disconnect the resistors. It takes less then 5 minutes to install or remove.
Well I'm kind of disappointed to hear this one, I thought the pinging was more of a problem with the heavier bikes like my Ultra Limited. Well I tried everything to get rid of the pinging, my bike is completly stock including pipes. Changing gas, octane booster, always synthetic oil, including Amsoil and of course the 103's have an oil cooler.
Finally took it to the dealer and they said no problem. Of course they had it when the temp was 65 degrees and it really isn't a problem till it gets too 80 or better. So they said put louder pipes on it and if I still hear it when it gets warmer too bring it in.
Well I didn't put louder mufflers on, but I did try something another web site suggested and went too Nightrider.com and bought their Xied kit,(about $100) which essentially plugs into the O2 sensors and fools the computer into thinking the exhaust is too lean and automatically richens up the mixture. Now it doesn't completely get rid of the pinging, but pretty close. I don't know what it does to a warranty, but it's got to be better then putting holes in your pistons.
Pretty bad too have to do this to a $20-25K motorcycle. Any thoughts?
P.S. I don't work for Nightrider.com, also if I took the bike in for warranty I would disconnect the resistors. It takes less then 5 minutes to install or remove.
Cruiser
Joined: Jan 2010
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From: Cleveland Ohio
to the op: you sound lean, check your tune and make sure you have good fuel. I know I run lean but i have never heard it ping. ( 95 deg here) To willytrash: buy a honda they are cheap and have pistons without holes.
3rd Gear
Joined: Jul 2012
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From: Waukesha WI
I've boughten 30 brand new Harleys with over 350,000 miles under my belt and I've never had an issue with pinging. So I'm not sure what that comment meant. I just know that the EPA is behind this problem.
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