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Not another Cam question!
I've done some looking around on the subject and I know there are a lot of threads on Cams as well that I've read. But I'm looking for for rider's opinions who've gone the route I'm contemplating. I own a 2002 Heritage Softail Classic. It's carburated, rejetted, free-flowing intake, V&H Bigshot longs and a set of SE203 cams. I like these cams a lot, but having just returned from a multi-day two-up camping trip pulling a trailer I found these cams not quite suited for that kind of riding. These cams kick in around 2,500 -2,600 RPMS by the seat of my pants method. I had trouble with hills if I hit them doing less than 60mph. I'm looking for cams which provide a little lower end umph. Something that kicks in around 2,300 RPMs or so. I found that when I was able to hit a hill at 60mph I could pull all the way through the climb because I was in the SE203 sweet spot. I'm just looking to replace the 203's, and not do additional upgrades or engine work. Any plug n play recommendations base on experience?
Thanks, Pete
Thanks, Pete
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21's would pull sooner, maybe more over all, but to be honest, not worth the time and money imo. Id spend the money on a 2n1 instead. It will add low to mid tq for ya. I went from VH bss with the x power chamber to a 2n1 and the 2n1 made a noticeable sop improvement. Or, I'd spend the money on a 95" kit.
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The cams you have are really not that bad for what you're after. The fix all would be a big bore and be done with it. The old adage is "there's no replacement for displacement" applies here. Head work is always a bonus as well. Big Boyz is the best bang for the buck on a budget when it comes to head porting. Bean is a friend of mine and you will be happy with the results if you do go with a big bore and head work.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I'm trying to avoid jugs and top end work if I can. I know that would make the biggest difference, but for now I'm just looking for a better bolt-in cam for my style of riding.
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DD Fatcat for FLSTC is nice as its longer then the other DD pipes for softails and gives a sleeker look to the bike kinda like your pipes. Check this out:https://www.hdforums.com/forum/4453612-post10.html
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Neither of these cams will work in a 2002.
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Ur BSL's are hurting U more than Ur needing new cams IMO..
Look at some of the dyno's of the longs and U'll see why.
I'll put in sheets of 2 of my Sons bikes that he used to own with 2 different V&H's pipes that are exactly the same (cams, AC, Sert, dyno at the same place by same tuner) other than the pipes, The sheets will show U the diff the pipes can make.
Sons 09 NT with 204's and BSL's
Sons 07 Duece with same 204's cam and BR's 2-2s
Also notice that the TQ and HP numbers is not the same on both sides of the t sheet,, have to come in from the right side of the page to see TQ numbers..
And just for the heck of it I even put in my Cam only 96'er with stock header and Rush slip-on that I installed Andrew 26's which is close to the SE 203's.
As U see even with the stock headers mine makes 83 # of TQ above 2250 rpms.
That's why IMO U'll should see a Big difference in the 2000 -3000 rpms just with a pipe change.. instead of cams.
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point is the BSL's make 70# TQ at 2500rpms.
And the BR's 2-2 made right at 87# of TQ at 2500 rpms..
U wont find any (cams only) istall that will make up that.
Look at some of the dyno's of the longs and U'll see why.
I'll put in sheets of 2 of my Sons bikes that he used to own with 2 different V&H's pipes that are exactly the same (cams, AC, Sert, dyno at the same place by same tuner) other than the pipes, The sheets will show U the diff the pipes can make.
Sons 09 NT with 204's and BSL's
Sons 07 Duece with same 204's cam and BR's 2-2s
Also notice that the TQ and HP numbers is not the same on both sides of the t sheet,, have to come in from the right side of the page to see TQ numbers..
And just for the heck of it I even put in my Cam only 96'er with stock header and Rush slip-on that I installed Andrew 26's which is close to the SE 203's.
As U see even with the stock headers mine makes 83 # of TQ above 2250 rpms.
That's why IMO U'll should see a Big difference in the 2000 -3000 rpms just with a pipe change.. instead of cams.
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point is the BSL's make 70# TQ at 2500rpms.
And the BR's 2-2 made right at 87# of TQ at 2500 rpms..
U wont find any (cams only) istall that will make up that.
Last edited by oct1949; Aug 17, 2012 at 04:35 PM.