I did not post this under the dyno thread because I don't have dyno figures however a friend does have figures with the same company which resulted in about a 10 hp increase on a 2011 and I don't know the torque figures. I realize everyone has their own ideas so my intention is just to report. One of the reasons I did my bike this way was that during the shop classes(at the H-D Museum) instructed by one of the tech instructors for the H-D university mentioned that piggy backing the ECM could cause problems with it. He didn't go into details but that is what he said. So rather than having more stuff hooked up to the ECM I used a company called Techno Research that changes the ECM's mapping for the engine management. I watched the mechanic do it and they use a mobile dyno and the bike is actually riden on the street. I was given a memory stick with the original map and the new map so that should something happen or if I would make more changes in the bike they could reload the map or start from that and adjust. I put on V&H staggered bigshots and put in the quiet baffles. Before going to the shop the mech said to put on a free flow air cleaner so I got a SC aircleaner system. It's the one that goes under the stock cover. With the stock air cleaner and the VH pipes it popped when I shifted and I know the engine ran hot. I had installed the XIED's (had them on the 2007) so as to reduce engine heat as Nightrider claims.) But I took them off before getting the bike tuned. The bike is much, much better than before. NO popping while shifting. The color on the pipes is darker which is more correct so it is richer and smells richer. Power comes on smooth and there is a lot more of it for sure. It's like a "new" bike. It also sounds different and feels different even when it idles. This was well worth the money. I was told I'll lose some fuel mileage but the motor will run cooler, and that this system makes changes about every one hundred rpms to the fuel delivery. I did this after the bike had 16k on it.

 

Thanks for the report...
I'm still on the fence about a dyno run with only a Stage 1 and I followed pretty much the same path you did:
V&H exhaust, free-flow AC, S1 remap, ViED's...
With the ViED's the bike runs cooler, with little to no decel pop, and I'm still getting a solid 40MPG - but I still consider them to be a quick-fix as opposed to a long-term solution...

 

What are ViEDs?

 

Adjustable version of the XiED

 

..what he said...

XiED's & ViED's (by Nightrider) are fuel management devices to richen fuel mixtures.
They plug inline with your existing O2 sensors...
XiED's are static and cannot be adjusted.
ViED's are adjustable (V for variable)

See here:
XiED's -vs- ViED's

 

Jam, if you are already running the SE pro tuner and you had to install ViED's something is wrong with your tune. I was able to make a world of difference after I got my pipes and air cleaner installed just by making a few smart tune runs on the street. Did you get the software and the cables when you got your tuner? I know you know your way arround the forum but have you read through the SEPST thread yet? (for some reason I can't copy and paste today, but its in the touring section and was started by Grillfish) It can be a little cumbersome and sometimes it gets repetitive but there is a lot of great info on there about tuning your bike yourself. Its a process, but from what I understand you may have a little more time on your hands than some of us. What I did was read through the thread and then go read through the manual that came with the software one topic at a time. I gained a whole bunch of knowledge and quite an understanding of how this all works. There are a lot of "urban myths" floating arround on this forum that a lot of people accept as fact. Once you educate yourself on all this stuff its a lot more simple than it seems. Didn't mean to hijack this thread but I thought you may be interested, I have seen you post a lot on this kind of topic.

 

Well, here's the thing.
When I had the Stage 1 "tune" (not a dyno) done at the dealer, they were still bound by EPA rules - and they admitted as much.
All I really got was just a "remap", or a "canned download".
I got the bike back and while it did run better, it also ran hotter and the decel pop increased as well.
Obviously it was still way too lean...

And yes, I have the cables and software - but from reading the SmartTune info, it isn't very "user friendly".
To do it RIGHT, I'd have to make multiple runs, holding various throttle positions (25%, 50%, 100% etc...) for at least 10 seconds each, in each of the 6 gears.
Now, I don't have many places around here that lend themselves to doing this RIGHT.
If I had access to Daytona Speedway or the Bonneville Salt Flats, then maybe...
Anything less then a full data collecting "run" would result in less than a full SmartTune, and I really don't want to do it halfway - which is why I can see that a dyno is the only way to really do it RIGHT.

Even then I'm hesitant because when I questioned my service guy, has more or less admitted (again) that they'd still be bound by EPA rules... and I don't seem to have any other options (a DynoJet) within reasonable driving distance.
I'd hate to spend that kind of $$ on a dealer dyno, only to have it running oil temps in the 275° range again...

I was kind of hoping (when I bought the SE cable/software kit) that the software could take whatever info you fed it, then it would make spectrum-wide changes based on that info, to "fill in the blanks" so to speak.
Not so... it needs to see info input across the entire spectrum - it assumes nothing.

The ViED's are a quick fix, as they dropped my oil temps by at least 20-25° and decel popping has all but vanished.
This is going to have to do until I find a better, more permanent solution...
Not that I'm unhappy with the ViED's mind you, the bike is running great and if it never improved one more bit, I'd still be happy with it.

 

If you do a few smart tune runs the way you normally ride it will be able to adjust the cells that you are actually using. of course you wont be able to fill all the cells but how often are you running 5000rpm in 6th gear? you would be way over 100 mph. All I'm saying is that there is room for improvement with what you got.

What if you just have your dyno guy at the dealer do your smart tune runs and dial in the VE tables? after that then you could make your AFR adjustments yourself. All smart tune does is establish your VE tasbles, you still would have to make AFR and timing adjustments.

 

True, I could do that I suppose, and I have toyed with the idea.
I'm just not sure what to expect though if I ever needed to go outside my "normal" paramaters - would it run like crap? etc...

Truth is, since the ViED's the thing is running so well, I'm reluctant to change it...
.."if it ain't broke", and all that...

 

I agree......

I have never been a fan of installing things between sensors to "adjust" the readings that the ECM is receiving.

IMHO I believe your over thinking it.

Just trying to help you a little with my experience/mistakes