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Aug 2, 2014 | 02:19 PM

#21

martin10

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From: VA

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Originally Posted by Fast-eddie

What makes the HD kits crapy?
Longevity or lack of power? Price?
Just curious.

The HD 103 stage II kit performs very well, is reasonably priced and is very popular. It is popular for a reason. It works and is a good bang for the buck.

Aug 2, 2014 | 02:48 PM

#22

cdonis

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From: Escalon ca

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Originally Posted by Mikeduke108

I talked to S and S cycle about their step 2 - they recommended their MR103 cam, quickie pushrod, tappets and their Dyno jet PowerVision.

Sounded pretty good, half the price of the big stage four, and you can always build on it. Anyone have any experience with this set up?

I was looking at the mr103 as a bolt in for my 103 breakout. My indy mechanic says he has had great results with that cam. For me, and what I want ( a little more of both tq/ and hp) that's the one he recommended when I asked his opinion. I also have the pv 2, and the d and d 2n1, stage 1 ac. Unfortunately the cams are on hold for now due to money.

Aug 2, 2014 | 03:01 PM

#23

oct1949

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From: 40 miles Northeast of Indy..

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Originally Posted by Mikeduke108

If i went with the SE255 - and I didn't change the lifters - I would only be replacing the cams, pushrods, cam bearings and cam gasket?

Hey... you didn't specify what your riding habits are... I think there are a lot better cams than the SE 255,, they are mostly for Loaded up, 2 up baggers wanting the TQ between 2-4K--rpms... after 4K they Fall off down FAST...

I'll admit I dont' know as much about the 103's as the 96''ers but they are probably about the same.....

IMO you need to post your riding habbits and needs...

I'll add it took me several months of research and reading to pick my Andrews 26,,,,,

Are they the BADDEST cam available,,, "NO"... but they are really GOOD cams that give 15-25% better TQ across the Sheet on the dyno..

Mostly they give me 20% more TQ between 1800 --3000 rpms over the STOCK cam,, where I spend 85% of my riding time and they are easy to tune and easy on the Engine.....

If you want better and more Info...please explain your riding habits and needs....

..

Aug 3, 2014 | 02:52 AM

#24

Kiwirob

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From: Auckland, New Zealand

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeduke108

If i went with the SE255 - and I didn't change the lifters - I would only be replacing the cams, pushrods, cam bearings and cam gasket?

Change the lifters as well, as the stock "C" lifters don't have a good reputation.
You could more than likely get away with retaining the stock push-rods. The rest of your list sounds good for a strong street engine.
Plenty of the SE255 cams for sale on this & other forums, rather than buying new for the dealer.
Will also require a good tuner like Powervision or TTS. - Rob

Aug 3, 2014 | 09:52 AM

#25

Mikeduke108

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So if I do a cam install (cams, lifters and pushrods). Do I need to then get a dyno tune, or will buying and running a power vision be fine?

Aug 3, 2014 | 10:47 AM

#26

Sgt_Jim

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From: Central Jersey

don't quote me, but you may, just because the cams will cause the rocker arms to stay open (or closed) longer.. and I don't know how that effects how much fuel needs to get spit in to the head when it happens. If you don't get an answer, that is a question to post in to the Engine forum here.

Jun 16, 2015 | 09:53 PM

#27

twogun

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From: alberta

ok i have a question. read a lot in here but i still curios. I have a 96b engine in a 2008 fatboy flstf. stage one done. told i can go to 103 cubic inch.. Was wondering if i can go 106 or 107 with out splitting case. 03 seems stock to me no offence to any one. if i gonna do it why not goo middle average. no i not want crazy power just differnt to me. id do 113 but i think that involves cases. not interseed. and i want a ride able bike that i can every day and not mess with all the time..

Jun 17, 2015 | 12:01 AM

#28

WhiteNoise

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From: Riverside, CA

I had the stage I by Harley and then several months ago did the stage II on my 96 cu.in. (SE 255 cams, hi-vol oil pump,SE cam plate, 103 big bore kit) and I couldn't be happier. It's like another bike all together. Best upgrade I've done to the bike yet. And it really made the bike sound even meaner. Love it.

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Jun 17, 2015 | 12:48 PM

#29

Tampa Fatboy

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My 2 cents: stage one, cam it & a tuner if you have the change laying around and you just have to have it within the warranty period, but...
Best way to go is V&H stage one and tuner, need more power than that wait til the warranty is up and have it professionally done with a cam/tuner/top end work.