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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 09:23 AM
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I bought my bike new and it has been a damn good running bike ever since however, recently I was going down the freeway at about 70+ and as I was coming up to heavier traffic I released the throttle and started deceleration that's when I noticed a loud backfire "POP" (Just one), Since then I have heard it pop occasionally always on deceleration and normally only one POP sometimes two and always on the freeway when speeds are over 65.

Bike history 2013 HD Forty-Eight Stage 1: Vance and Hines straight shot slip-ons, Screaming eagle Heavy Breather, Power Commander V (all added within the first 500 miles). I recently replaced the bikes battery, bike mileage is almost 10k

What could be causing this backfire? I only started hearing it not more than 300 miles ago?? Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 09:28 AM
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You may have an intake/breather leak, try replacing the gasket between the breather and intake, they are usually just paper gaskets and they can go bad after some time. If that is not the problem then it is most likely a simple fuel mapping issue. It could also be a dirty air filter not letting enough oxygen/air into the combustion chamber. Popping = improper air/fuel ratio..
 

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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 09:38 AM
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When I changed out my battery, the battery was out of the bike for a few days, do you know if that could have wiped the map out of the Power Commander (not having any power going to it)?
 
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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 09:47 AM
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When I changed out my battery, the battery was out of the bike for a few days, do you know if that could have wiped the map out of the Power Commander (not having any power going to it)?
I guess anything is possible but I have used Power Commanders on my ATV and crotch rockets in the past and had batteries die over the winter and had no issues with losing my tune once I recharged or replaced the battery. A simple call to Dynojet or whomever made your PC would answer that question. Wouldn't hurt to rule that out I suppose. It is strange timing that this all occured when you replaced your battery.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 10:43 AM
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Popping could also be caused by an exhaust leak.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by partlowr
You may have an intake/breather leak, try replacing the gasket between the breather and intake, they are usually just paper gaskets and they can go bad after some time. If that is not the problem then it is most likely a simple fuel mapping issue. It could also be a dirty air filter not letting enough oxygen/air into the combustion chamber. Popping = improper air/fuel ratio..
Decel pop is almost always caused by a lean A/F mixture. A leak between the air filter/breather is before the mixture is created and will not cause this problem. If an intake leak is the source of your problem, it would have to be between the throttle body and manifold or the manifold and heads.
 

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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 11:04 AM
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The leak could also be between the mufflers and the bracket. There is a interconnect gasket there that can be used only once because it's very flimsy.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cHarley
Decel pop is almost always caused by a lean A/F mixture. A leak between the air filter/breather is before the mixture is created and will not cause this problem. If an intake leak is the source of your problem, it would have to be between the throttle body and manifold or the manifold and heads.
Good points and I would agree with you 100% if this were a carburated bike but this is not always the case on fuel injected vehicles. It depends where the leak is and if the MAF sensor is able or trying to compensate for the leak, that in itself can cause the computer to lean out the mixture if the MAF is not taking the proper reading. A pre-MAF intake leak can trigger a lean situation.
 
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Originally Posted by partlowr
Good points and I would agree with you 100% if this were a carburated bike but this is not always the case on fuel injected vehicles. It depends where the leak is and if the MAF sensor is able or trying to compensate for the leak, that in itself can cause the computer to lean out the mixture if the MAF is not taking the proper reading. A pre-MAF intake leak can trigger a lean situation.
So, what do I do with this gasket if I run the bike without the air filter?
The TB/carb intake's purpose is to suck in air, the gasket you are referring to is there simply to prevent entry of dirt at the point of connection.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2015 | 12:26 PM
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So, what do I do with this gasket if I run the bike without the air filter?
The TB/carb intake's purpose is to suck in air, the gasket you are referring to is there simply to prevent entry of dirt at the point of connection.
You are correct and wrong all at the same time. If the Power Commander is set for a certain intake/cleaner combo, if all of a sudden the intake gets a leak which is now allowing more air/oxygen to flow over the MAF into the intake and combustion chamber the computer may not be able to compensate for the extra air on it's own and not add enough fuel for all the extra air and a lean out would occur, right? You can not simply remove an air filter without changing mapping and expect the thing to run at an optimum level, an intake leak allowing more air into the system is no different. The MAF and computer talk and constantly make changes to A/F's in a certain range but at a some level the set mapping will not be able compensate. If the stock computer could compensate for everything there would be no reason to install a Power Commander or Fuelpak or other mapping device in the first place, correct?

I know I am a new guy on this forum and not out to be disruptive or make enemies and mean no disrespect but I have been racing motorcycles since I was 13 years old and now I build and race 1400hp cars with modern electronics, I am not just shooting from the cuff with my comments. I am just trying to help out another forum member.
 

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