Fuelpak fp3 cause ecm to go out??
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If the professional performance builders recommend power vision, that's good enough for me . I believe Aaron at
Hammer Performance knows what hes talking about. They have thousands of performance kits in the field and know what works and what don't work. Oh yeah I went with power vision a long time ago and not had any issues.
Hammer Performance knows what hes talking about. They have thousands of performance kits in the field and know what works and what don't work. Oh yeah I went with power vision a long time ago and not had any issues.
Again, when used as intended the FP3 works very well IMO.
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And this is why I always say "when the FP3 is used as intended". The FP3 was never meant or even really marketed for 'professional performance builders'. It's intended use is for the average Joe/Jane who just want's his/her bike to run correctly after a set of mufflers/pipes and maybe a Stage 1 air cleaner upgrade. The fact that Aaron at Hammer Performance doesn't recommend the FP3 is totally understandable.
Again, when used as intended the FP3 works very well IMO.
Again, when used as intended the FP3 works very well IMO.
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People on here ridicule others buying synthetic oil, calling it a waste of money and isn't necessary. Why should it be any different with a tuner? Why would I pay $150 or more for something I don't need or want?
For a set of slipons, full system, and/or a freer flowing air cleaner the FP3 does just fine because that's what it was designed for.
Why the fact that many are completely happy with the FP3 is such a trigger is beyond me...
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If i may chime in, i do NOT have a fp3 but i do have a pv black.
when i got my 1200c it came with a pv but started having issues with it too be fair it was 6 yrs old, the issue was the active gages would drop out and i began to get popping.
contacted dynojet was given some updates did not work went to hd they said ecm told dynojet mark came out to buckeye az from vegas (his sister lives here) brought the pv black set it up for me everything was great then started dropping again called mark in the shop they found no issues with my old unit offered to give me the old unit and my money back then we realized i had upgraded led headlight and front turn signals put the cable in wire loom and wrapped the loom in elect tape issue never came back
when i got my 1200c it came with a pv but started having issues with it too be fair it was 6 yrs old, the issue was the active gages would drop out and i began to get popping.
contacted dynojet was given some updates did not work went to hd they said ecm told dynojet mark came out to buckeye az from vegas (his sister lives here) brought the pv black set it up for me everything was great then started dropping again called mark in the shop they found no issues with my old unit offered to give me the old unit and my money back then we realized i had upgraded led headlight and front turn signals put the cable in wire loom and wrapped the loom in elect tape issue never came back
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Capable of doing what, things you have no use for? Why pay any extra for something you don't want or need? What is considered "roughly the same price"? I paid $300 for my FP3.
People on here ridicule others buying synthetic oil, calling it a waste of money and isn't necessary. Why should it be any different with a tuner? Why would I pay $150 or more for something I don't need or want?
For a set of slipons, full system, and/or a freer flowing air cleaner the FP3 does just fine because that's what it was designed for.
Why the fact that many are completely happy with the FP3 is such a trigger is beyond me...
People on here ridicule others buying synthetic oil, calling it a waste of money and isn't necessary. Why should it be any different with a tuner? Why would I pay $150 or more for something I don't need or want?
For a set of slipons, full system, and/or a freer flowing air cleaner the FP3 does just fine because that's what it was designed for.
Why the fact that many are completely happy with the FP3 is such a trigger is beyond me...
The sad part is that it's a PC app away from being a perfectly fine tuner. But V&H won't do it. Instead, they insist on controlling the tune distribution. They want a copy of every tune, and a record of what tune is in every bike. It's this insistence on invading everyone's privacy that prevents them from giving it the same capabilities as every other flash tuning solution that's on the market. And as you can see by Beserock's post, this also causes some other issues for people, He can't even trust that he's putting the original tune back in the bike. He's not in control of it. With every other tuner on the market, you control that yourself. You can pull the original tune yourself and save it and examine it and put it back in the ECM whenever you want. You're in control of it, not V&H. But V&H insists on being in control, so they don't give you that capability.
Don't take it personally that this annoys some of us, or that we'll speak out about it's limitations. People should make informed decisions.
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I am not sure your last comment is correct.
The FP3 on first use saves the tune that is currently in the ECM. Now if the bike doesn't have the OEM tune when the FP3 is first used then yes there isn't a way to get the OEM tune back on the bike.
The FP3 on first use saves the tune that is currently in the ECM. Now if the bike doesn't have the OEM tune when the FP3 is first used then yes there isn't a way to get the OEM tune back on the bike.
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Read post #34.
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>I turned on bike, started app, and was met with an error saying it can’t connect to server.
The internet is not the most reliable communication device and neither is the hardware. This can happen.
>I waited an hour and came back to it. Started app and same thing only this time the app flashed
So no connection to the server but what does "app flashed" actually mean?
>and acted like it was the first time being installed. My saved maps were deleted along with the stock map.
At this point alarm bells should have stopped the user going any further.
Now I accept the limitation here and appreciate what you have said about the major benefit of the PV.
This user blindly carried on even though he could see things were wrong.
Having flashed the ecm even if the OEM map is put back I am sure someone said HD know the ecm has been flashed. So I call BS on what is written.
ETA: I am not pulling for the FP3 or PV just replying to questions and comments.
I do have a FP3 only because here the Dynojet importer charges Ł250 more than the cost you guys pay in America.
The internet is not the most reliable communication device and neither is the hardware. This can happen.
>I waited an hour and came back to it. Started app and same thing only this time the app flashed
So no connection to the server but what does "app flashed" actually mean?
>and acted like it was the first time being installed. My saved maps were deleted along with the stock map.
At this point alarm bells should have stopped the user going any further.
Now I accept the limitation here and appreciate what you have said about the major benefit of the PV.
This user blindly carried on even though he could see things were wrong.
Having flashed the ecm even if the OEM map is put back I am sure someone said HD know the ecm has been flashed. So I call BS on what is written.
ETA: I am not pulling for the FP3 or PV just replying to questions and comments.
I do have a FP3 only because here the Dynojet importer charges Ł250 more than the cost you guys pay in America.
Last edited by Andy from Sandy; Nov 23, 2020 at 01:36 PM.
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I just want people to understand, up front, before they spend their money, what they're getting, or more importantly what they're not getting. If they do that, and understand that dyno tuning and/or serious motor work is probably going to require a whole new tuner, it would save them from having to buy their tuner twice. That may sound far fetched to you, but I deal with that almost every day.