I have a TJ Rubicon and it's fifteen times easier to work on than my E46 M3 and my E39 M5. Those cares are so cram packed under the hood and there's no way to diagnose any of that crap without proprietary BMW software that can be a royal pain in the butt to get setup on your personal machine.

I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one. I've owned 10 BMWs and my TJ Rubicon is above and beyond the simplest and easiest thing to work on in comparison to the BMWs (newer BMWs at least).

 

Yes let's agree to disagree, I work on Diesel engines and I feel like those are way easier to work on then any gas engine, thanks for answer my question on canbus

 

It requires fewer fuses and lowers the demand on the stator which will promote longer life. It has twisted pair wires and the switching is done by a minute difference in the electrical signal between the two wires.

 

right, thats why you see the picture of my surface running DIS. it's not hard to set up at all. i know, exactly, what i'm saying.

very easy. tj requires adjustment by feel etc... guessing whats going on, searching for shorts, sensor testing. triple on/offs to pull codes. the bmw are an exact measure. changing belts on your bmw vs your tj, easier or harder? changing oil on bmw vs tj, easier or harder? nav, sensors... same story. the k bus and k+d bus main harness handles, unless molested, all the connections that way all functions can be tracked by dis or gt3. changes and programming can be done via sss, progman, and ncsexpert. modules can be read,tested, and cleared by the EASY to obtain / easy to install ncsexpert. those programs are tools no different than a phillips head screw driver or your bikes tuner. we need to learn to use them.

find/diagnosing an issue with your tj take 10x longer than a 3 minute scan with dis. fixing is just as easy since bmw tends to put serviceability at the top of the list of priories. all the connection are usually easy to access and facing you/technician under the hood and right behind panels everywhere else.


it's a mind state thing for you, i think. if you think something is harder, it will be harder... to you anyway. fact is, it's not.

we can agree to disagree but, please don't spread false info that is really just your opinion and lack of know how in certain areas.

if you need help with all that stuff i can point you in the right direction and help you setup your interface.

 

lol, threads go where they go.

 

Canbus is short for pot, ya drunkards.

 

The only one spreading misinformation is you.

You're trying to say it's easier to work on a modern vehicle with a Canbus system (such as a high end BMW or Audi), and I'm telling you that is NOT true at all, unless you have the software, the tools, and the experience needed to do so.

Working on a TJ or an old vehicle (i.e. a muscle car for example) is generally much easier because you have less emissions, less sensors, and less bullshit. Sure, they may sometimes be harder to diagnose since you don't have all the sensors and software, but for an old school mechanic who is not used to working with all the modern software and electrical systems, they will indeed be much easier. If you seriously think that working on a Wrangler TJ is harder than a BMW, then you need your head checked. Solid axles, an old school AMC engine design that has been around since 1965 (I'm referring to the 4.0 engine), and body on frame with no traction control, sophisticated sensors, etc. Yeah man... That sounds REALLY hard to work on (I'm rolling my eyes). I own a E39 M5, an E46 M3 and a Wrangler TJ Rubicon. The Rubicon is night-and-day easier to work on... It's not even funny how much easier it is to work on.

So, there's no misinformation being spread. It's opinion and that's all it is. Your opinion is that it's easier to work on a modern vehicle with canbus. That's only true if you have the training, the tools, and the experience.

For the old school mechanics, it's not going to be easier at all, it's going to be a completely new set of skills.

I challenge any old school mechanic (or DIY garage mechanic) who has never worked on a modern Canbus style BMW (or similar), to pickup a DIS system, a broken down BMW, and then attempt to figure out what's wrong with it, all the while trying to learn how to operate DIS and troubleshoot everything at the same time.

Yeah... Good luck on that. Not going to be easier by ANY means whatsoever (unless you have the training and experience).

 

it's not a debate my friend. [not nice, removed] i learned just like everyone else. there was no training... i had no experience. i got on the forums, asked the questions, and read the manuals. i was that DIY guy you are challenging THAT HAD ONLY WORKED ON MY JEEP PRIOR. i didnt make excuses... or get on forums posting misinformation and my opinion as fact. i just dug in and got my hands dirty. about a 2 week learning curve... translated german to english etc... PUT IN THE WORK. and no, everything with bmws does not require a computer to fix or diagnose.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...069&highlight= no dis used there, there are many other events similar... just old school mechness.. outside of that 1's and 0's it's just a car. even commented on how easy it is here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...t=#post8465825

you didn't just walk in a gym and instantly get swole, did you? no, you learned. you did just instantly learn you tj's bs, did you? no, you learned just like i did. you aren't on here because you know everything, are you? no, you are here to learn and share. c'mon bro. i hate bulls*** and excuses.

i'm not lazy. if some pimply punk with no education can work on these things, why cant i?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=573045&page=2


some folks are just too lazy to learn or even try. look at this. mid page, some a**ho** has no idea what he is talking about and never hooked an obd2 cable to his car tells me i'm crazy because i shared a discovery. because i took the time to learn and he didn't, i have no idea what i'm talking bout. disrespectful summabi***. then turns around and asks me to break it down for him.:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=280567&page=2



you can't make this stuff up! and it's exact same thing you just did above. you don't know but, are telling me i'm crazy and need my head checked... even after i offered to help you.


sooo... yeah... head checked. i'm not you bro, on that "sky is falling" stuff. i do the work. i know what i'm saying. you disagree and that's cool. keep paying others to do your work. you haven't done much work under those hoods, it's clear as day from what you are saying. you might be able to fool people that don't know but, you aint getting that BS past me. "no no no, notten my howse "

 

I was kidding!

Bosch invented Canbus IIRC, as you may know with your BMW, but I'm sure US auto manufacturers have embraced the technology, just as Harley has.

 

hadn't seen "executive cars" before. i was thinking some ceo's had special rides everyone else couldn't have. lol