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Old Aug 28, 2016 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dotcom2000
I guess I didn't word my question right. I've been riding sportsters for a while now. I upgraded to a '06 1200 L a few years ago and I'll admit the rubber mounting is a big improvement. I won't go newer than an '06 'cause I can do my own work on a carbed bike. But I've had more than a couple people ask my why I don't go bigger for the smoother ride. I've been riding for over 50 years and too old and set in my ways to want to change now, I'm a sporty fan and will remain so. But if the ultras and soft tails etc. have the same 45 degree engine why are they so much smoother? Just curious thats all.
bigger pistons moving slower(lower rpm)... boom.... boom.... vs boom boom boom... less violent feel. my dyna vibes just like my sporty, just slower and less violent. the BT thump is great.. but, BTs still vibrate. the softails and touring bikes have more dampening. the M8 is way smoother... my mind was blown by how smooth the new 107 is.
 

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Old Aug 28, 2016 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sawka
How were people guessing at this? Really the only motors that dont vibrate are boxer engines because they cancel out (by design). Even that 4 banger in your focus vibrates. Cars just have hella good dampers. Same concept as the rubber mount design (which is in new sporsters).

Edit: I guess theoretically the 8 piston design of airplanes where they are all opposing each other would also cancel out as jaytee stated. I just have no real working knowledge of airplane motors.
Radials vibrate a lot, but that big prop in front dampens a lot of it - flywheel effect, and more mass to absorb the vibration. A Sportster engine doesn't have a lot of rotating weight; it'll rev up fast, but really transmit the vibration to anything it's attached to, and the rubber mounts only absorb some of it. Japanese motors are smooth because many of them have counterbalancers - that really takes out the vibration when done right. It probably wouldn't be hard for Harley to make a real smooth counterbalanced motor for the sportster. Since they've made them a lot quieter when obviously the majority of owners want more noise, it might not be a stretch to think they'll smooth it out someday.
 
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Old Aug 28, 2016 | 07:59 PM
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http://www.cycleworld.com/2016/02/01...sound-insights
 
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Old Aug 29, 2016 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dotcom2000
...I've been riding sportsters for a while now. I upgraded to a '06 1200 L a few years ago and I'll admit the rubber mounting is a big improvement...
So what's your preference on the vibration difference between the 03-Earlier SOLID "EVO" vs. 04-later Rubber "EVO"?

Does... "I'll admit the rubber mounting is a big improvement..." mean 04-later Rubber "EVO"?

I posted a POLL here:
POLL: ____ Vibration Preference? ____ 03-Earlier SOLID "EVO" vs. 04-later Rubber "EVO"
 
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Old Aug 29, 2016 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cvaria
here's a quick question, why do tires roll?
Energy applied through torque, friction of rubber to ground, ground pushing back against the torque force. Newton's Third Law of motion.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/...m#.V8RxYygrLIU

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Old Aug 29, 2016 | 12:45 PM
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Old Aug 29, 2016 | 02:48 PM
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One thing I've noticed as I've tried a few different sets of slip-ons on my '07 is that the bike was a heck of a lot smoother with stock pipes and even Screamin' Eagle 80db pipes. With the Cycle Shack 105db pipes I have, it vibrates a lot, hand-tingling and all.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2016 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sawka

Edit: I guess theoretically the 8 piston design of airplanes where they are all opposing each other would also cancel out as jaytee stated. I just have no real working knowledge of airplane motors.
Radial engines all have odd numbers of cylinders in each bank....
 
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Old Aug 29, 2016 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by John Harper
Energy applied through torque, friction of rubber to ground, ground pushing back against the torque force. Newton's Third Law of motion.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/...m#.V8RxYygrLIU

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