FP3 is awesome!
Former Sponsor
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 330
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From: Santa fe Springs, Ca
The thing causes me a huge amount of grief. Many days I wish it had never been invented. The lack of a wideband tuning capability, and V&H's closed ecosystem for tune sharing, are both huge problems for me. These things manifest themselves in the form of huge customer service issues. I'm on the verge of telling people no, we're not going to support it.
But my requirements are different from yours. So this doesn't really apply to you.
But my requirements are different from yours. So this doesn't really apply to you.
Road Captain
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 654
Likes: 734
- A way to pull the bike's original tune and email it.
- A way to pull the bike's current tune and email it.
- A PC application that would allow a person to change table values and settings within the tune. Check out WinPV. It's very, very well done.
- A way to accept a tune received by email, and load it onto the FP3 and flash it.
- Wideband autotune capability.
- Wideband closed loop capability.
Numbers 1 through 4 would make the device useful to me and my customers. I would stop steering my customers away from it if it could do those things.
Number 5 would make it something I would recommend.
Number 6 would be icing on the cake.
But until it can do numbers 1 through 4, I have no use for it. We'll continue to push the PV.
Tourer
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 257
Likes: 50
From: The USofA
I was thinking of making a new thread about the FP3 and my experience but it fits here.
I read a LOT of posts about the FP3 and the PV. Yes I think the PV is probably overall better. But for Stage 1 (like many have said in this thread) the FP3 does an excellent job and good for beginners or those who don't want to learn everything there is about tuning but just want their bike running great.
I've been auto tuning for a few months now. Not every ride, only at first. Then every once in a while when I was riding on new roads that were a different demand on the bike.
I've accomplished what I call a really great tune so it worked fine for me.
But today I realized that tuning over time you don't realize the difference between the stock tune and your final auto tune. So I loaded the stock tune today and rode about 75 miles.
Wow! The first thing I said to myself was "this is the bike that I bought and didn't like the way it was running". The difference was night and day. Heat was back, loss of low end torque was back, popping was back.
So yea, the FP3 was worth the money I paid for it and I really like the smartphone feature of monitoring while I ride.
I think that was 3 cents worth
PS. Now if they would come out with that manual.
I read a LOT of posts about the FP3 and the PV. Yes I think the PV is probably overall better. But for Stage 1 (like many have said in this thread) the FP3 does an excellent job and good for beginners or those who don't want to learn everything there is about tuning but just want their bike running great.
I've been auto tuning for a few months now. Not every ride, only at first. Then every once in a while when I was riding on new roads that were a different demand on the bike.
I've accomplished what I call a really great tune so it worked fine for me.
But today I realized that tuning over time you don't realize the difference between the stock tune and your final auto tune. So I loaded the stock tune today and rode about 75 miles.
Wow! The first thing I said to myself was "this is the bike that I bought and didn't like the way it was running". The difference was night and day. Heat was back, loss of low end torque was back, popping was back.
So yea, the FP3 was worth the money I paid for it and I really like the smartphone feature of monitoring while I ride.
I think that was 3 cents worth
PS. Now if they would come out with that manual.
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Tourer
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 477
Likes: 103
From: Nashua, NH
I was thinking of making a new thread about the FP3 and my experience but it fits here.
I read a LOT of posts about the FP3 and the PV. Yes I think the PV is probably overall better. But for Stage 1 (like many have said in this thread) the FP3 does an excellent job and good for beginners or those who don't want to learn everything there is about tuning but just want their bike running great.
I've been auto tuning for a few months now. Not every ride, only at first. Then every once in a while when I was riding on new roads that were a different demand on the bike.
I've accomplished what I call a really great tune so it worked fine for me.
But today I realized that tuning over time you don't realize the difference between the stock tune and your final auto tune. So I loaded the stock tune today and rode about 75 miles.
Wow! The first thing I said to myself was "this is the bike that I bought and didn't like the way it was running". The difference was night and day. Heat was back, loss of low end torque was back, popping was back.
So yea, the FP3 was worth the money I paid for it and I really like the smartphone feature of monitoring while I ride.
I think that was 3 cents worth
PS. Now if they would come out with that manual.
I read a LOT of posts about the FP3 and the PV. Yes I think the PV is probably overall better. But for Stage 1 (like many have said in this thread) the FP3 does an excellent job and good for beginners or those who don't want to learn everything there is about tuning but just want their bike running great.
I've been auto tuning for a few months now. Not every ride, only at first. Then every once in a while when I was riding on new roads that were a different demand on the bike.
I've accomplished what I call a really great tune so it worked fine for me.
But today I realized that tuning over time you don't realize the difference between the stock tune and your final auto tune. So I loaded the stock tune today and rode about 75 miles.
Wow! The first thing I said to myself was "this is the bike that I bought and didn't like the way it was running". The difference was night and day. Heat was back, loss of low end torque was back, popping was back.
So yea, the FP3 was worth the money I paid for it and I really like the smartphone feature of monitoring while I ride.
I think that was 3 cents worth
PS. Now if they would come out with that manual.
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Tourer
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 477
Likes: 103
From: Nashua, NH
I was thinking of making a new thread about the FP3 and my experience but it fits here.
I read a LOT of posts about the FP3 and the PV. Yes I think the PV is probably overall better. But for Stage 1 (like many have said in this thread) the FP3 does an excellent job and good for beginners or those who don't want to learn everything there is about tuning but just want their bike running great.
I've been auto tuning for a few months now. Not every ride, only at first. Then every once in a while when I was riding on new roads that were a different demand on the bike.
I've accomplished what I call a really great tune so it worked fine for me.
But today I realized that tuning over time you don't realize the difference between the stock tune and your final auto tune. So I loaded the stock tune today and rode about 75 miles.
Wow! The first thing I said to myself was "this is the bike that I bought and didn't like the way it was running". The difference was night and day. Heat was back, loss of low end torque was back, popping was back.
So yea, the FP3 was worth the money I paid for it and I really like the smartphone feature of monitoring while I ride.
I think that was 3 cents worth
PS. Now if they would come out with that manual.
I read a LOT of posts about the FP3 and the PV. Yes I think the PV is probably overall better. But for Stage 1 (like many have said in this thread) the FP3 does an excellent job and good for beginners or those who don't want to learn everything there is about tuning but just want their bike running great.
I've been auto tuning for a few months now. Not every ride, only at first. Then every once in a while when I was riding on new roads that were a different demand on the bike.
I've accomplished what I call a really great tune so it worked fine for me.
But today I realized that tuning over time you don't realize the difference between the stock tune and your final auto tune. So I loaded the stock tune today and rode about 75 miles.
Wow! The first thing I said to myself was "this is the bike that I bought and didn't like the way it was running". The difference was night and day. Heat was back, loss of low end torque was back, popping was back.
So yea, the FP3 was worth the money I paid for it and I really like the smartphone feature of monitoring while I ride.
I think that was 3 cents worth
PS. Now if they would come out with that manual.
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Tourer
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 257
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From: The USofA
OK I re-read your post. I "think" you are saying that you really like your FP3 "really great" auto tune that took multiple rides to complete, and that when you put it back to the canned map, it sucked compared to the map you created with auto tune. Is that right? So should I do another auto tune instead of returning this thing? Can I add to the one I started and finished, or do I need to start over?
It took a fair amount of auto tuning but then again I don't put on the kind of mileage that some people do and we had a ton of rain this summer which I don't really ride in.
So there were a lot of incremental improvements over time. When I went back to the stock map after some months I really saw the difference. Bike ran like crap. It was like night and day.
The FP3 does the job. A few aspects of it are just a little tricky when auto tuning and loading maps. Could you have accidentally loaded your stock map back? Or started a brand new auto tune? Those are the two things that would give you the results that you mentioned. Or something else changed on your bike (A/C, exhaust leak, etc).
I think at a minimum it takes 2-3 gas tanks full to auto tune. I shoot for a very varied ride with straight aways on highways, hills, in town riding using many throttle positions and RPM's.
There are some great posts on here about auto tuning.
Last edited by Old Rust; Sep 18, 2017 at 08:50 AM.
Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 195
Likes: 62
From: Cibolo, TX
I am completely happy with my FP3. It did exactly what I wanted it to do with my stage 1 upgrade. Eventually I will be doing a Hammer 1275 to my bike and at that point will invest in the PV. Hindsight being 20/20, I probably should have bought the PV from the start and saved myself some money when I do the 1275.