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Are you sure the PCV with autotune works with an '07? I was on the PC website and they say the PCV is for '09 and up only and then when I did a search for products that work with my '08 it only listed the PCIII.
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I have a buddy that has had his power commander for a few years and when on a road trip it failed because it filled up with water. Took it to a dealer dried it up, hooked it back up, and it worked just fine. That has been his only problem. I would say the overwhelming majority here use the power commander though. If you have the money buy the Thurndermax with autotune. Wideband will always be better to tune with than narrowband. Wideband gives actual a/f values, which is much easier to work with and tune.
For the OP:
I have a buddy that has had his power commander for a few years and when on a road trip it failed because it filled up with water. Took it to a dealer dried it up, hooked it back up, and it worked just fine. That has been his only problem. I would say the overwhelming majority here use the power commander though. If you have the money buy the Thurndermax with autotune. Wideband will always be better to tune with than narrowband. Wideband gives actual a/f values, which is much easier to work with and tune.
Fuelmoto is the world's number 1 seller of DynoJet PowerCommanders and they there develop the majority of the maps DJ offers on their site. If you don't see the map you need at DJ, ask Jamie and odds are he will have it or tweek one to get you in the ballpark.
Yes, the future is closed loop wideband. Try it and you will see.
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Opinions vary of course but this statement is simply untrue. Well, it may be true with the SERT or SEST but not the TTS.
I like my TTS Mastertune and looked at the PCV and Thundermax and decided against them. Like I said; opinions vary. If I had it to do all over again I would still go with the TTS.
I like my TTS Mastertune and looked at the PCV and Thundermax and decided against them. Like I said; opinions vary. If I had it to do all over again I would still go with the TTS.
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I don't "get it" (that comment) with SERT either. Once you dial it in, you are set.
Sure if you change pipes or cam you have to retune (or at least touch up the tune), but a tune is not going to go away.
The auto tunes are cool, but odds are a professionally done dyno tune will get the most HP. Both options have their benefits.
Also, if you someday find a little weak spot (decel pop for example), you can touch it up with your laptop (SERT, as well as some of the others).
Lots of choices out there. Just don't choose a cheapo option or you'll have a cheapo result. Read up, do your homework and choose the one that suits you best.
Sure if you change pipes or cam you have to retune (or at least touch up the tune), but a tune is not going to go away.
The auto tunes are cool, but odds are a professionally done dyno tune will get the most HP. Both options have their benefits.
Also, if you someday find a little weak spot (decel pop for example), you can touch it up with your laptop (SERT, as well as some of the others).
Lots of choices out there. Just don't choose a cheapo option or you'll have a cheapo result. Read up, do your homework and choose the one that suits you best.
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Thanks for all the feedback. How do I get in tough with "Jamie" ? I guess being that I converted last year from a 5+ year crotch rocket rider (most recently an 04' GSXR), I'm just trying to get the most power I can out of my new bike. Always wanted a harley, but had to get the "Squid" out of my system before my second daughetr made me realize I needed to realax on the wheelies and such.
The reason I went with the smaller Harley was its more nimble characteristics. I really enjoy just cruising, but I like to be able to take off from stop lights, and drop down a gear an open it up when I hit a nice stretch on a back road somewhere.
Yes, I realize its never going to be an all out screamer, but thats not what I'm looking for. What I was thinking is that I could probably get a bit more power, and better sound for about $1500 all in. As I mentioned it already had the SE slip ons, air filter, and "download. Almost positive I'm going with some black V & H sideshots, jury is out on air filter and tuning options. If it makes a difference I trust my dealers mechanic.
The reason I went with the smaller Harley was its more nimble characteristics. I really enjoy just cruising, but I like to be able to take off from stop lights, and drop down a gear an open it up when I hit a nice stretch on a back road somewhere.
Yes, I realize its never going to be an all out screamer, but thats not what I'm looking for. What I was thinking is that I could probably get a bit more power, and better sound for about $1500 all in. As I mentioned it already had the SE slip ons, air filter, and "download. Almost positive I'm going with some black V & H sideshots, jury is out on air filter and tuning options. If it makes a difference I trust my dealers mechanic.
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I sent an email to fuelmoto expressing my concerns and what I was looking for. I got back a response that simply said they would send me a PCV for $299.99, plus $12.95 shipping. Not the well thought out response I was looking for.
At this point I think going to the dealer and going the SERT route is the best bet. I can be sure it won't void warranties, and have somebodys face to go get in if things dont work out to my liking. Sure it may cost a few hundred more bucks, but I dont want to be calling someone halfway across the country to try and trouble shoot any problems.
At this point I think going to the dealer and going the SERT route is the best bet. I can be sure it won't void warranties, and have somebodys face to go get in if things dont work out to my liking. Sure it may cost a few hundred more bucks, but I dont want to be calling someone halfway across the country to try and trouble shoot any problems.
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I sent an email to fuelmoto expressing my concerns and what I was looking for. I got back a response that simply said they would send me a PCV for $299.99, plus $12.95 shipping. Not the well thought out response I was looking for.
At this point I think going to the dealer and going the SERT route is the best bet. I can be sure it won't void warranties, and have somebodys face to go get in if things dont work out to my liking. Sure it may cost a few hundred more bucks, but I dont want to be calling someone halfway across the country to try and trouble shoot any problems.
At this point I think going to the dealer and going the SERT route is the best bet. I can be sure it won't void warranties, and have somebodys face to go get in if things dont work out to my liking. Sure it may cost a few hundred more bucks, but I dont want to be calling someone halfway across the country to try and trouble shoot any problems.
With the SERT you have to pay for it (more expensive) and then have to pay up to the esstimated 6 hours of dyno time that it recomends the dyno tuner use. If your dealer is like mine then they charge by the book even if the book says 6 hours of dyno time and it only takes an hour or two.
Don't get me wrong. I understand your concerns and all with the warranty, but we are talking about a huge difference in price! Not a little one. Plus if your dealer does sell PCs they should be able to help you if you do have problems even though you bought it from somewhere else.
Although the SERT is a very good tuning device well above a basic power commander if you actually get the program for yourself and learn how to use it, IMO. If you don't get the program and learn how to use it then I think it is a waste of money to use it on a bike with a basic stage 1 that may or may not get further engine mods. It is a program designed for racing where fuel trims are constantly being reshaped for different racing conditions not for a bike with a basic stage 1 kit.
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At this point I think going to the dealer and going the SERT route is the best bet. I can be sure it won't void warranties, and have somebodys face to go get in if things dont work out to my liking. Sure it may cost a few hundred more bucks, but I dont want to be calling someone halfway across the country to try and trouble shoot any problems.
Moral of the story: if you want your warranty to stay good (for sure) you must leave the bike totally stock.
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