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Is it cycle electric that makes the good replacement stators and regulators?
I surely would not pay to have original failure prone junk back in!
The stock regulators work by dumping extra power/voltage to ground, a very easy cheap bad design, since it loads up the stator and the regulator.
The better design works like a car, above a set voltage it UNLOADS the stator.
Yes, fantastic bikes, get one for $9000.00, replace the shocks and seat, the clutch rivet plate, the starter, stator and voltage regulator, and have a reliable bike?
All bikes can have problems, but you would think the MOCO would notice the failures and improve things over time....
Real nice paint and chrome tho....
Brett
I surely would not pay to have original failure prone junk back in!
The stock regulators work by dumping extra power/voltage to ground, a very easy cheap bad design, since it loads up the stator and the regulator.
The better design works like a car, above a set voltage it UNLOADS the stator.
Yes, fantastic bikes, get one for $9000.00, replace the shocks and seat, the clutch rivet plate, the starter, stator and voltage regulator, and have a reliable bike?
All bikes can have problems, but you would think the MOCO would notice the failures and improve things over time....
Real nice paint and chrome tho....
Brett
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From: MN
Your second issue with hearing "this metallic CRANK sound", sounds familiar if it usually happens when you are restarting a hot motor after a brief stop. This is a common problem on 1200's due to the higher compression ratio. The motor is "kicking back" against the starter much like they kicked back against a rider's leg in the kick start days. This kick back WILL eventually take out the teeth on the starter clutch gear.
What's happening with the starter, is that there is unburnt fuel left in the cylinder when you shut down the motor, and the piston has come to a stop on the beginning of a compression stroke. When you hit the ignition switch, the mixture is igniting before the starter has built up enough momentum in the motor and the piston kicks back rather than following through the stroke. There is no solution to the issue using STOCK Harley parts. The best way to put an end to this happening, is to replace the whole starter with a 1.4kw "All *****" brand starter which is more powerful that the stock starter. After replacing 2 starter clutches on my bike in less than 25,000 miles, I went with the All ***** and have not had any more issues in the last 33,000 miles. One of our forum sponsors, Eastern Performance, carries the starters and last time I checked they were around $150.00. Well worth it when you factor in the labor hours (pretty much an all day job on my bike) spent replacing the clutch gear every 12,000 miles.
What's happening with the starter, is that there is unburnt fuel left in the cylinder when you shut down the motor, and the piston has come to a stop on the beginning of a compression stroke. When you hit the ignition switch, the mixture is igniting before the starter has built up enough momentum in the motor and the piston kicks back rather than following through the stroke. There is no solution to the issue using STOCK Harley parts. The best way to put an end to this happening, is to replace the whole starter with a 1.4kw "All *****" brand starter which is more powerful that the stock starter. After replacing 2 starter clutches on my bike in less than 25,000 miles, I went with the All ***** and have not had any more issues in the last 33,000 miles. One of our forum sponsors, Eastern Performance, carries the starters and last time I checked they were around $150.00. Well worth it when you factor in the labor hours (pretty much an all day job on my bike) spent replacing the clutch gear every 12,000 miles.
Last edited by badbs101; Sep 17, 2010 at 08:00 AM.
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Thanks for this tip Charley, I have the same problem with my starter and figured it was vapor lock but never heard of anyone else with the same problem. When I brought it to the dealer, they said I needed a new battery. Needless to say a new battery did not cure the problem. I've got about 13,000 miles on the original starter of my 06 XL1200C. Is replacing the starter an all day job or is replacing the clutch gear considerably more difficult than replacing the starter alone? I'm assuming the All ***** would come with a new clutch gear and would be installed as a unit much like a car starter? I'm looking to do it myself but dont want to make a multi day job of it. I'm a pretty good wrench but slow so what might take you a full day could be a multi day project for me.
To remove the starter you have to remove the primary cover, which means the shifter and clutch cable along with it. You'll also usually have to remove the rear exhaust pipe to have enough room to lift the old starter out and slip the new one in.
You'll also need a new primary case gasket and oil, exhaust gasket, and as long as the primary case is open, you might want to replace the plastic primary chain adjuster shoe.
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Thanks for the reply Charley, that doesnt sound too bad. I'm sure I could tackle that. I looked up the All ***** 1.4kw starter at Eastern Performance and it is $314.99!! Does that seem right? Any other brands of high torques starters just as good? Accell? etc? The others aren't quite as expensive.
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Thanks for the reply Charley, that doesnt sound too bad. I'm sure I could tackle that. I looked up the All ***** 1.4kw starter at Eastern Performance and it is $314.99!! Does that seem right? Any other brands of high torques starters just as good? Accell? etc? The others aren't quite as expensive.
I found just found it at Phat Performance for $279.95, p/n 80-1009
I don't understand that big of a price increase in 2 years, but it looks like the price is up everywhere I searched.
Sorry, but I can't speak for the other brands.
Last edited by cHarley; Sep 17, 2010 at 02:34 PM.
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cHarley - have you had to replace anymore stators since you switched to the "all *****" starter?
I've estimated that my stator and starter on my 06 XLC - give out at about 2years (give or take a few months). This has happend to me twice 2008 and now 2010.
I'm just trying to find a long term solution - the all ***** starter should address the starter; now we need one for the stator.
I've estimated that my stator and starter on my 06 XLC - give out at about 2years (give or take a few months). This has happend to me twice 2008 and now 2010.
I'm just trying to find a long term solution - the all ***** starter should address the starter; now we need one for the stator.
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