Had it die in an intersection.....again!
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Had it die in an intersection.....again!
Hello all!
I bought a 2005 1200C with 981 miles on her a couple months ago.
It farted and died in a intersection the first or second day.
Its done in 4 or 5 times now. I read some tech and asked a few questions on here and fattend it up a bit, but it is still doing it.
Today it was at a left hand turn whth an ambulance right behind me, and it took some cranking to get it started again. Not so good.
This is fully warm, I had just come back from a 60 mile ride in 85 degrees! Cold, warm, doesn't matter.
92 octain.
It has the SEII upgrade AC and exhaust.
I am wondering if putting the Mikunie (sp) 42 on her would help with the off idle pop, and still give me performance?
Or any other sugestions on upgraded carbs? Im sure I COULD fix this one, but I would rather spend a little dough and get a little bigger & hopefully better quality carb.
Thanks.
CR
I bought a 2005 1200C with 981 miles on her a couple months ago.
It farted and died in a intersection the first or second day.
Its done in 4 or 5 times now. I read some tech and asked a few questions on here and fattend it up a bit, but it is still doing it.
Today it was at a left hand turn whth an ambulance right behind me, and it took some cranking to get it started again. Not so good.
This is fully warm, I had just come back from a 60 mile ride in 85 degrees! Cold, warm, doesn't matter.
92 octain.
It has the SEII upgrade AC and exhaust.
I am wondering if putting the Mikunie (sp) 42 on her would help with the off idle pop, and still give me performance?
Or any other sugestions on upgraded carbs? Im sure I COULD fix this one, but I would rather spend a little dough and get a little bigger & hopefully better quality carb.
Thanks.
CR
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RE: Had it die in an intersection.....again!
Sounds like a rejet will take care of the problem.
Never used a Mikuni or drived a bike with one but Äą keep hearing that has a very nice throttle response .
But keep in mind that it is difficult to beat a good rejetted and well tuned CV carb .
Just my 2 cent.
another solution is to trade in your bike for a 2007 EFI model hehehe , Just joking
Never used a Mikuni or drived a bike with one but Äą keep hearing that has a very nice throttle response .
But keep in mind that it is difficult to beat a good rejetted and well tuned CV carb .
Just my 2 cent.
another solution is to trade in your bike for a 2007 EFI model hehehe , Just joking
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RE: Had it die in an intersection.....again!
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No need to spend the $ on a new carb - I've never had the problems you're having. I don't know what the fix is so I won't throw my .02 in.
No need to spend the $ on a new carb - I've never had the problems you're having. I don't know what the fix is so I won't throw my .02 in.
As I've said before, the only way to get your carb running correctly is to have a 'carb guru' or something that has experience in these matters throw on some gauges (or a dyno), get everything dialed in, and have the air/fuel ratio optimized throughout the operating range.
Should only take an hour or two, wouldn't cost much, and you would have a bike without the numerous carb problems that you see mentioned over and over.
Every engine is different, and each might require different adjustments to run efficiently.
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Thanks all.
The aftermarket Screamin Eagle aircleaner and pipes were instaled at the dealership when purchased new.
I would THINK that they would have re-jetted and tuned at that time. As I said, it had 981 miles on it when I bought it, at the dealership and they said they had just givin it it's 1000 mile check and was gooooood to go.
The dealership is 100 miles away so I don't get there often....or, at all. Lol.
I know this is a very common problem as I see what seem like almost everybodys first posts (including mine) are something like,
"Hi I just brought my new (fill in the blank) home and it sputered and poped out the carb? is this normal?"
So I know its normal because of emissions they tune em lean and such.
The off idle pop doesnt bother me THAT bad, but when it dies, in a busy intersection, its downright dangeress!
$11000 for a new bike is a big purchase for me and it is frusterating to have to "fix" the problem or should I say PAY to have it fixed.
It is under warntee, but there is a several week wait, it,s a hell of a trip to make, I would need to find a ride home, & back, AND I don't know if they would cover it, or fix it, seeings to how THEY are the ones who did the work in the first place.
I don't know where the next closest dealer is, but its probably a few hundred miles away.
This is why I was thinking for the money and little time down I might be better off spending the $280 for the mikunie.
Again thanks for your input.
CR
The aftermarket Screamin Eagle aircleaner and pipes were instaled at the dealership when purchased new.
I would THINK that they would have re-jetted and tuned at that time. As I said, it had 981 miles on it when I bought it, at the dealership and they said they had just givin it it's 1000 mile check and was gooooood to go.
The dealership is 100 miles away so I don't get there often....or, at all. Lol.
I know this is a very common problem as I see what seem like almost everybodys first posts (including mine) are something like,
"Hi I just brought my new (fill in the blank) home and it sputered and poped out the carb? is this normal?"
So I know its normal because of emissions they tune em lean and such.
The off idle pop doesnt bother me THAT bad, but when it dies, in a busy intersection, its downright dangeress!
$11000 for a new bike is a big purchase for me and it is frusterating to have to "fix" the problem or should I say PAY to have it fixed.
It is under warntee, but there is a several week wait, it,s a hell of a trip to make, I would need to find a ride home, & back, AND I don't know if they would cover it, or fix it, seeings to how THEY are the ones who did the work in the first place.
I don't know where the next closest dealer is, but its probably a few hundred miles away.
This is why I was thinking for the money and little time down I might be better off spending the $280 for the mikunie.
Again thanks for your input.
CR
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RE: Had it die in an intersection.....again!
Nothing personal to all you "dealer friendly" people, but you might be better off finding a local independent shop that works on Harley's and have them correct the problem.
Shouldn't cost more than an hour or so labor, and in the long run it would be well worth the expense.
Your bike shouldn't pop, spit, sputter, or especially die which could cause a very serious safety problem (at the least).
I realize that there are some good dealers (and factory mechanics) out there, as I know a few myself, and usually in the Forums we mainly hear about negative, not positive, experiences.
But it amazes me that a dealership, with their "certified mechanics" can perform maintenance or other work on a bike and then have customers experience minor (or serious) problems afterwards.
To me that is just shoddy work and not paying attention to detail, and it appears to happen frequently. No excuse whatsoever for that type of service..
Shouldn't cost more than an hour or so labor, and in the long run it would be well worth the expense.
Your bike shouldn't pop, spit, sputter, or especially die which could cause a very serious safety problem (at the least).
I realize that there are some good dealers (and factory mechanics) out there, as I know a few myself, and usually in the Forums we mainly hear about negative, not positive, experiences.
But it amazes me that a dealership, with their "certified mechanics" can perform maintenance or other work on a bike and then have customers experience minor (or serious) problems afterwards.
To me that is just shoddy work and not paying attention to detail, and it appears to happen frequently. No excuse whatsoever for that type of service..
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RE: Had it die in an intersection.....again!
OFG you are right.
I would rather take it somewhere else but I don't know of any.
In my town there is a Yamaha dealer/shop and they won't touch it.
Maybe I should move? Lol
CR
I would rather take it somewhere else but I don't know of any.
In my town there is a Yamaha dealer/shop and they won't touch it.
Maybe I should move? Lol
CR
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RE: Had it die in an intersection.....again!
Great looking ride. Had the problem with my scooter an o6 1200 Custom. Finally found a local mechanic who helped me adjust my carb ( I watched and he adjusted). Still get an occassional, very rare 'cough" but it is usually when I give the throttle a very abrupt (faster than fast) twist to increase RPM from idle. I have found feathering the clutch and gradual throttle input cured most of the problems. It would be a heck of a note to get run over by an ambulance, sounds like my kind of luck.
Ride safe and good luck with fixin' your scooter.
Ride safe and good luck with fixin' your scooter.
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.....I would THINK that they would have re-jetted and tuned at that time. As I said, it had 981 miles on it when I bought it, at the dealership and they said they had just givin it it's 1000 mile check and was gooooood to go....
CR
.....I would THINK that they would have re-jetted and tuned at that time. As I said, it had 981 miles on it when I bought it, at the dealership and they said they had just givin it it's 1000 mile check and was gooooood to go....
CR
So, from what I am reading here, and please correct me if I am mistaken, is that you HAVE NOT HAD THE CARB Re-Jetted, when you had the SEAC and Muffs installed?
If that is a true statement, then did you SPECIFY that you wanted the carb jetted to accomodate the upgrade? When you got your take off parts, was there a small plastic box with a bunch of small brass fittings and the old Spring and needle from the stock setup? If so, then it was jetted and dialed in incorrectly, but more so, it wasn't installed.
Seems to me that someone failed to ask the correct questions, like the Svc Writer/Mgr for not specifying that you would need to rejet the carb to account for the extra air flow, and yourself for lack of understanding of the principals of a motor, and not validating what you needed to complete this particular modification.....
I am not busting your stones, by any stretch, but you are complaining about a situation that is fixable, providing that ALL of the components are installed correctly....
Or were these components installed PRIOR to your purchase? If so, then the Dealership MUST repair to specs, at no cost to you, as they SHOULD know what is the correct set-up.......