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I've owned an ABS bike and done 50K miles on it. I have also gone out and deliberately braked hard on many occasions, to get it to kick in without success. I commuted on it year round in heavy city traffic, but it never worked once, so I can neither say I miss it nor will I go out of my way to buy a bike with it.
ABS is a crutch to good skills and practice. Just because it may infact be better, dont mean it is a replacement to practice and skills learned on the road.
You could say the same thing about seat belts in cars. But when you say it about seat belts in cars..............it sounds stupid.
Who in their right mind repeatedly uses Hoppes #9 to clean their firearms other than for lead fouling inside the bore?
About your Savage camper's Companion, what's the date code on it?
Stolen from another site:
A 1949 B 1950 C 1951
D 1952 E 1953 F 1954
G 1955 H 1956 I 1957
J 1958 K 1959 L 1960
M 1961 N 1962 P 1963
R 1964 S 1965 T 1966
U 1967 V 1968 W 1969
X1970
"Collectors will find a date code stamped on every double-barrel shotgun in the Stevens brands produced between March 1949 and December 1968. Usually, it is behind the hinge pin or ahead of the trigger guard on the bottom of the frame. It will appear as a small circle containing a number and a letter. The letters correspond to the years shown in the table above. Significance of the numbers is not known."
The above will help you more closely date your particular specimen to help determine it's value either through "book" value or the perceived value of "collectors." You can then decide if it's in your best interest to leave it as is, or break out the rattle can!
Nice little combo rifles they are, 'never really collectable but with so many types of rifles manufactured by Savage, it's not hard to find one to your liking!
Cheers.
=8^)
Learning all kinds of things. Finding none of them letters I dug into it a little more. Turns out old timer had a bad memory lol. He was off by 20-25 years. Mine was made in 1975. It looks like it was made in the 50s though. Both bores look new, wood is in perfect shape. It looks like it was stored in a real humid enviroment though. The metal is about 30-40% with mostly rust and some light pitting. The 22 barrel is accurate though. Going to soak it some more and get as much rust off and paint that bad boy up.
From: In the foothills of southwestern NC - US of A
Originally Posted by Dusty Bones
Learning all kinds of things. Finding none of them letters I dug into it a little more. Turns out old timer had a bad memory lol. He was off by 20-25 years. Mine was made in 1975. It looks like it was made in the 50s though. Both bores look new, wood is in perfect shape. It looks like it was stored in a real humid enviroment though. The metal is about 30-40% with mostly rust and some light pitting. The 22 barrel is accurate though. Going to soak it some more and get as much rust off and paint that bad boy up.
Thanks for the info!
Seems to me an aweful lot of people who arent much into firearms tend to shoot 'em, clean 'em off a bit, then it's into the case and in the closet or under the bed they go. This is BAD!! While out in the elements the metal parts of the firearm are absorbing moisture from the atmosphere...and if put back in a case with no vehicle to allow this moisture to evaporate, it forms rust. Gads. Just this past year a guy brought into a local shop I frequent two Remington auto shotguns to determine their value, one in 12g, the other in 20g. Upon opening the zipper up cases, it was discovered that both rifles had a decent amount of surface rust, and to make matters worse, the green liner material from each case had broken down into green powder and had infiltrated just about every nook and cranny of each gun! What a mess. I would have laughed if I wasn't already crying about it first.
Sorry to hear that the outside of the 24C isn't in the greatest of shape but that can easily be overcome, and with the bores being nice and clean and rust free it's all that really matters from a shootin' standpoint, unless you're making a wallhanger.
I know you never said it.........I said it. But the same principle applies. If you ALWAYS drive safely and NEVER come across something unexpected, a seat belt is useless, it would be a crutch used in place of safe driving. Sounds (and is) stupid. Now replace "seat belt" with "ABS" in the sentence above, which is what your saying............sounds just as stupid.
I have no clue. I have never had the ***** to try and lock up a bike thats not mine to test ABS. Maybe I can, maybe I can not. If I ever get an ABS bike and get a chance to test it out, it might take half a million miles of riding to find out if it works or not for me. Never needed it on a bike before. Last 3 cages we have had were ABS. More than half a million miles between the two of us on them cars and never once have the ABS features been tested.
ABS is a crutch to good skills and practice. Just because it may infact be better, dont mean it is a replacement to practice and skills learned on the road.
Time to go get the date off of my Savage
Now who's the flower sniffer? I only have 136k on my Suburban and I'd say I've activated the ABS at least 10 times. Of course when I'm in the cage I've got places to go and things to do. Lots of dirt roads with deer, antelope, coyotes and big rocks that weren't there yesterday. I've activated the ABS on my bike once, sand on the street.
Is this thread about gearing down or ABS or guns? Oh well, I'm out of here, I got a story to write.
I know you never said it.........I said it. But the same principle applies. If you ALWAYS drive safely and NEVER come across something unexpected, a seat belt is useless, it would be a crutch used in place of safe driving. Sounds (and is) stupid. Now replace "seat belt" with "ABS" in the sentence above, which is what your saying............sounds just as stupid.
I agree with everything you say on that. How about we start putting seatbelts on motorcycles. How many people could seatbelts on motorcycles save? What about them noobs that pop that clutch and they lose grip and slide off the back of the seat, or the guy who down shifts too many gears and flys forward when they let go of the clutch on an engine with a closed throttle. Anything to make the ride more safe, right? What about traction control? I have seen more problems with loss of traction than brakes locking up. Where does it end? How about a radar on the bike that brakes for you that calculates stopping distance for vehicles in front of you that brakes and stops you from getting too close? They put that on cages now too. Just like ABS, I have done just fine without all that.
My point is why stop at ABS when it is only a piece of the problem. Just me, but I see no point in blaming the motorcycle if someone locks the brakes up, loses traction or follows too closely. Besides, if you are going to hit something because of something that is not your fault or not in control of, you are going to hit it or get hit by it, the fact a computer stopped the tires from locking instead of the rider doing it will not change anything.
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Now who's the flower sniffer? I only have 136k on my Suburban and I'd say I've activated the ABS at least 10 times. Of course when I'm in the cage I've got places to go and things to do. Lots of dirt roads with deer, antelope, coyotes and big rocks that weren't there yesterday. I've activated the ABS on my bike once, sand on the street.
Is this thread about gearing down or ABS or guns? Oh well, I'm out of here, I got a story to write.
The flower sniffer has not changed. The guy who gets 18,000 miles on a stock tire, thats who. I can not imagine how I would have to ride to get 10,000 more miles out of any tire.
I know you never said it.........I said it. But the same principle applies. If you ALWAYS drive safely and NEVER come across something unexpected, a seat belt is useless, it would be a crutch used in place of safe driving. Sounds (and is) stupid. Now replace "seat belt" with "ABS" in the sentence above, which is what your saying............sounds just as stupid.
Rog, you are forgetting one thing, there is no cure for stupid.
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