ABS input please
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From: Bedford UK
No, but most if not all vehicles do have two braking systems, the park brake on a car can serve as backup to the main brakes (at least that used to be the case!)
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But have you read that the new Touring models have linked braking? This I do not see a purpose in, except to make it easier for inexperienced riders to stop better. I may just be resisting another "good" change. But I just don't see any upside in it for me.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make it easier for an inexperienced rider to stop as you would still have to put pressure on both the front and rear brakes to perform a safe stop. The purpose of it is to get the rear to "sit". There are different linked brakes depending on type of bike, sport, offroad, on/offroad, touring etc. BMW for example, use the front brake lever and pressure is also put on the rear brake. this is to get the rear to "sit" to make the bike more stabil when braking hard. Honda, use the rear brake pedal and pressure is also put on the front brake. Both are there for enhanced stability and shorter stopping distance. Some have delay valves and secondary pistons and so on...but no need to get in to that
Anyway I've tried both and all I can say is that its great! Try it you just might like it
But have you read that the new Touring models have linked braking? This I do not see a purpose in, except to make it easier for inexperienced riders to stop better. I may just be resisting another "good" change. But I just don't see any upside in it for me.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make it easier for an inexperienced rider to stop as you would still have to put pressure on both the front and rear brakes to perform a safe stop. The purpose of it is to get the rear to "sit". There are different linked brakes depending on type of bike, sport, offroad, on/offroad, touring etc. BMW for example, use the front brake lever and pressure is also put on the rear brake. this is to get the rear to "sit" to make the bike more stabil when braking hard. Honda, use the rear brake pedal and pressure is also put on the front brake. Both are there for enhanced stability and shorter stopping distance. Some have delay valves and secondary pistons and so on...but no need to get in to that
Anyway I've tried both and all I can say is that its great! Try it you just might like it
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From: LI, NY
>why would you think the exhaust would have any impact on ABS equipped bike?
Exhaust mounting bracket changed for ABS
See https://www.hdforums.com/forum/sport...portsters.html
Exhaust mounting bracket changed for ABS
See https://www.hdforums.com/forum/sport...portsters.html
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I only mentioned the ABS module as someone posted it as a concern on the first page. I could not see how they were related but honestly I did not do too much digging on the system and the dealer did not have one on the floor for me to poke around on where they mount any controls.
I will definitely do some research on the "Digital Technician". Aside from swapping pads I like to flush the fluid as well. Sounds like I may have a concern there.
Had not heard of the linked brakes before. The system sounds like it makes sense...I mean I do not have a front and rear brake pedal in my car. Interesting stuff.
I will definitely do some research on the "Digital Technician". Aside from swapping pads I like to flush the fluid as well. Sounds like I may have a concern there.
Had not heard of the linked brakes before. The system sounds like it makes sense...I mean I do not have a front and rear brake pedal in my car. Interesting stuff.
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You also don't lean your car over in a turn. Your rear wheels on your car are almost never at the point of breaking traction due to uneven roads and extreme weight transfer during braking. It is not that simple. If you think it is just a matter of stomping on your brakes with your foot like you do in your car, well you may be in for a surprise.
I want to see ABS in full action in an evasive maneuver. Will it keep traction when forces are applied to the side of the tire instead of the center on strait forward travel. I know its good for straight line stopping but sometimes you need to go around. If the rider aint skilled enough to maneuver ABS will not save them. It is not a doo all solution to every problem and bad habits people refuse to let go of. ABS cant/wont fix stupid and so far in many miles of riding I needed ABS 0% of all my panic brakes where 90% of them needed me to avoid a collision. ABS wont maneuver you around problems. ABS is good in very limited straight on braking situatioons like hard braking when a light is going to turn red and the guy who has been on the road stomps on the rear brake because the front brake drops you every time you use it. Yup, someone told me this. i believe an f word followed by idiot is all I replied.
Thats my input. Looks good on them videos. Unless your panic stop is at a red light it is pretty much worthless unless the rider has a wide skill set to rely on before they let the machine save their hide.
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Last sentence, said perfect. In every ABS video and test its done straight on. What if a f150 pulls out infront of you at a distance where the ABS will still be keeping tires spinning but you will be pushing the truck out of your way. Too many people lock on to the truck and will ABS the brakes till they hit it, or drop the bike to avoid a collision like we see here about once a month. With no ABS on my bike and even if it did have it I had a f150 do that to me. So I turned into the parking lot he was pulling out of and thank god there was no cars for me to run into, ABS would not have prevented that either.
I want to see ABS in full action in an evasive maneuver. Will it keep traction when forces are applied to the side of the tire instead of the center on strait forward travel. I know its good for straight line stopping but sometimes you need to go around. If the rider aint skilled enough to maneuver ABS will not save them. It is not a doo all solution to every problem and bad habits people refuse to let go of. ABS cant/wont fix stupid and so far in many miles of riding I needed ABS 0% of all my panic brakes where 90% of them needed me to avoid a collision. ABS wont maneuver you around problems. ABS is good in very limited straight on braking situatioons like hard braking when a light is going to turn red and the guy who has been on the road stomps on the rear brake because the front brake drops you every time you use it. Yup, someone told me this. i believe an f word followed by idiot is all I replied.
Thats my input. Looks good on them videos. Unless your panic stop is at a red light it is pretty much worthless unless the rider has a wide skill set to rely on before they let the machine save their hide.
I want to see ABS in full action in an evasive maneuver. Will it keep traction when forces are applied to the side of the tire instead of the center on strait forward travel. I know its good for straight line stopping but sometimes you need to go around. If the rider aint skilled enough to maneuver ABS will not save them. It is not a doo all solution to every problem and bad habits people refuse to let go of. ABS cant/wont fix stupid and so far in many miles of riding I needed ABS 0% of all my panic brakes where 90% of them needed me to avoid a collision. ABS wont maneuver you around problems. ABS is good in very limited straight on braking situatioons like hard braking when a light is going to turn red and the guy who has been on the road stomps on the rear brake because the front brake drops you every time you use it. Yup, someone told me this. i believe an f word followed by idiot is all I replied.
Thats my input. Looks good on them videos. Unless your panic stop is at a red light it is pretty much worthless unless the rider has a wide skill set to rely on before they let the machine save their hide.
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ABS is not only good for straight on braking. Its good for any time you may be applying the brakes. Is it always "on" every time you apply the brakes? No, it only kicks in when a wheel starts to lock (threshold). I guarantee nobody on this forum is good enough to apply threshold braking on a consistent bases. But I would say rarely do street riders need to apply threshold braking.
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From: St. Louis Mo.
ABS is not only good for straight on braking. Its good for any time you may be applying the brakes. Is it always "on" every time you apply the brakes? No, it only kicks in when a wheel starts to lock (threshold). I guarantee nobody on this forum is good enough to apply threshold braking on a consistent bases. But I would say rarely do street riders need to apply threshold braking.
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From: Stockbridge GA
I agree. But some think because they have never actuated ABS that they dont need it because they can brake better than ABS............they cant.............they just never braked that hard.
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Big +1 on that!