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Old Jun 23, 2014 | 08:23 PM
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You should check your primary with a stone cold engine.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPSAW
This will bump before it all goes. Does your drained plug from transmission and engine have a tell magnet on it?
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No, this didn't "go bump before it goes", and it produced nothing in the way of any kind of abnormal noise. I know, that's my pic, of my 4th gear after the gear dogs broke off. There was no hint of a problem until I shifted to 4th gear and it was just gone.

There was also nothing abnormal on the drain plug magnet, as the broken pieces fell to the bottom of the tranny, not the primary.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cHarley
No, this didn't "go bump before it goes", and it produced nothing in the way of any kind of abnormal noise. I know, that's my pic, of my 4th gear after the gear dogs broke off. There was no hint of a problem until I shifted to 4th gear and it was just gone.

There was also nothing abnormal on the drain plug magnet, as the broken pieces fell to the bottom of the tranny, not the primary.
That is you 4th gear..and thanks..that send a lot of shock and aww message? HA.. . Figured if you got down to 1 drive dog, it might do what Iarecobra described since the primary chain in a Sporty is so easy to set. Also note in my post, I referred transmission to check for chips. Is their not a separate engine/transmission, primary drain with magnets on a Sporty? I also tagged my Forum source folder for reference to owner source. On a side note, do you have a picture of the shift fork on a Sporty? Do they have a wear coating on the fork or just hardened steel?
 

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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by cHarley

No, this didn't "go bump before it goes", and it produced nothing in the way of any kind of abnormal noise. I know, that's my pic, of my 4th gear after the gear dogs broke off. There was no hint of a problem until I shifted to 4th gear and it was just gone.

There was also nothing abnormal on the drain plug magnet, as the broken pieces fell to the bottom of the tranny, not the primary.
When did this happen? Milage wise? How much and how hard to fix?
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RIPSAW
That is you 4th gear..and thanks..that send a lot of shock and aww message? HA.. . Figured if you got down to 1 drive dog, it might do what Iarecobra described since the primary chain in a Sporty is so easy to set. Also note in my post, I referred transmission to check for chips. Is their not a separate engine/transmission, primary drain with magnets on a Sporty? I also tagged my Forum source folder for reference to owner source. On a side note, do you have a picture of the shift fork on a Sporty? Do they have a wear coating on the fork or just hardened steel?
The Sporty has a shared primary/tranny as far as fluid is concerned, but they are not "open" to each other such that broken parts like this could move from one chamber to the other.

Sorry, no pictures of the forks and I don't recall about the coating.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by cvaria
When did this happen? Milage wise? How much and how hard to fix?
This happened last year (April 2013) at 92,000 miles when I was in NC. I rode the bike home (800 miles) without 4th gear, praying whatever parts broke stayed in the bottom of the case.
On the 2004 and later rubbermount Sportys, a tranny repair means pulling the motor and splitting the cases. A total motor tear-down. Since the bike had 92,000 miles on it, I figured that as long as it was getting disassembled, it might as well go back together with new (go fast) jugs, pistons, headwork and cams.

How much it costs for just the repair depends on whether you have the ability and tools to do it yourself or have to have it done by someone else. I would "guess" probably in the $2500 - $3000 range for just the repair, if you took it to a dealer.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cHarley

This happened last year (April 2013) at 92,000 miles when I was in NC. I rode the bike home (800 miles) without 4th gear, praying whatever parts broke stayed in the bottom of the case.
On the 2004 and later rubbermount Sportys, a tranny repair means pulling the motor and splitting the cases. A total motor tear-down. Since the bike had 92,000 miles on it, I figured that as long as it was getting disassembled, it might as well go back together with new (go fast) jugs, pistons, headwork and cams.

How much it costs for just the repair depends on whether you have the ability and tools to do it yourself or have to have it done by someone else. I would "guess" probably in the $2500 - $3000 range for just the repair, if you took it to a dealer.
So you did the work? Did you document the ordeal? Thats some scarey stuff. Where would you ballpark the amount of time and cost just for the gear replacement? Did you replace all the gears since you were already in there? Sorry for all the questions.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 08:43 AM
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So you did the work? Did you document the ordeal? Thats some scarey stuff. Where would you ballpark the amount of time and cost just for the gear replacement? Did you replace all the gears since you were already in there? Sorry for all the questions.
Nope, I didn't document the project and can't really account for all the hours as the project spread over 6 weeks. (Including turnaround time shipping parts to Hammer) All bearings in the motor & tranny were replaced, along with the broken gear and 1 shift fork that showed some signs of wear. The rest of the parts in the tranny and lower end of the motor still looked/spec'd real good and were reused. And since the motor was out, it was the perfect time to replace motor-mounts and swingarm bushings.

As far as ball-parking the cost for the gear repair alone, that's the $2500 - $3000 guesstimate I gave you above for a dealer repair. With most dealers close to $100/hr that's 3 days labor +parts, assuming nothing else needs replacing. Again, I'm just guessing, you could always call your local dealer and ask for the flat (book) rate to R&R a tranny gear.

I was fortunate to know an indy that didn't mind letting do some of the work in his shop, and he had the necessary specialty tools and experience I didn't. I was able to save a some bucks by doing what I felt comfortable with myself, and still have confidence during reassembly in the outcome of my $$$ investment.



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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by cHarley

Nope, I didn't document the project and can't really account for all the hours as the project spread over 6 weeks. (Including turnaround time shipping parts to Hammer) All bearings in the motor & tranny were replaced, along with the broken gear and 1 shift fork that showed some signs of wear. The rest of the parts in the tranny and lower end of the motor still looked/spec'd real good and were reused. And since the motor was out, it was the perfect time to replace motor-mounts and swingarm bushings.

As far as ball-parking the cost for the gear repair alone, that's the $2500 - $3000 guesstimate I gave you above for a dealer repair. With most dealers close to $100/hr that's 3 days labor +parts, assuming nothing else needs replacing. Again, I'm just guessing, you could always call your local dealer and ask for the flat (book) rate to R&R a tranny gear.

I was fortunate to know an indy that didn't mind letting do some of the work in his shop, and he had the necessary specialty tools and experience I didn't. I was able to save a some bucks by doing what I felt comfortable with myself, and still have confidence during reassembly in the outcome of my $$$ investment.

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Man... im so wet behinfmd the ears... seeing that is daunting. But some day I'll have to do it.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 12:28 AM
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Back to my original post.....checked the chain adjustment. Seems to be in specs. But if I don't "baby it" there is a bump when I take off or if I suddley close the throttle.

Any ideas. ??
 
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