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Old Feb 16, 2020 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LQQK_OUT
It was mentioned in the video. The pneumatic properties keep the tire on the rim. It was also mentioned that the Tire and Rim association (TRA) came up with a standard that each of the problem forces be counteracted by two opposing forces for redundancy. The car tire on a motorcycle rim doesn't have that redundancy in the bead. The problem occures when the tire loses air.
It's all about choices. Just like the ability to ride without a helmet in many states.
That would be a failure. Once again, I ask, has anybody had a CT failure that resulted in damage to the bike or injury to the rider?
Me and 10s of thousands of dark siders are still waiting for that report. The antagonists swear that a CT would be catastrophic, but can't point to a single incident over the decades that riders have been using CTs.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2020 | 10:27 PM
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That would be a failure. Once again, I ask, has anybody had a CT failure that resulted in damage to the bike or injury to the rider?
Me and 10s of thousands of dark siders are still waiting for that report. The antagonists swear that a CT would be catastrophic, but can't point to a single incident over the decades that riders have been using CTs.
I have absolutely no idea if there was ever a failure with someone using a car tire on a motorcycle. Honestly, it doesn't really matter to me. As I said, it's your choice. I do believe a motorcycle tire handles better than a car tire and personally I want the best handling tire available. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Do you believe a car tire handles better?
I will say that If I ever happen to be in an accident with another motorcycle, and I'm able, I will make a note of the tires on the other vehicle. If they are car tires, I'll make sure the officer on the scene makes a note of that in the accident report.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2020 | 04:18 AM
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My favorite comment was, "I've been putting motorcycle tires on my truck for years".

Thanks for the video.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2020 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LQQK_OUT
I have absolutely no idea if there was ever a failure with someone using a car tire on a motorcycle. Honestly, it doesn't really matter to me. As I said, it's your choice. I do believe a motorcycle tire handles better than a car tire and personally I want the best handling tire available. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Do you believe a car tire handles better?
I will say that If I ever happen to be in an accident with another motorcycle, and I'm able, I will make a note of the tires on the other vehicle. If they are car tires, I'll make sure the officer on the scene makes a note of that in the accident report.
So regardless of any other circumstances of the accident, the CT must have been the reason, right?
 
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Old Feb 17, 2020 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by EasternSP
That would be a failure. Once again, I ask, has anybody had a CT failure that resulted in damage to the bike or injury to the rider?
Me and 10s of thousands of dark siders are still waiting for that report. The antagonists swear that a CT would be catastrophic, but can't point to a single incident over the decades that riders have been using CTs.
When you mount a Car tire on motorcycle wheel the raised ridge inside the wheel requires a lot of air pressure to pop the bead over it. So much it is kind of scary when you do it. I doubt the tire would leave the wheel should it go flat.
Clearance could be an issue it you are running a car tire that pushes the width to the limits.Another reason I run the 195/60R16 vs the 206/55R16 The tire going down would not be as likely to cause an issue.
Another they say I heard was the car tire would slowly leak air due to poor bead. I have not found that to be an issue.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2020 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EasternSP
So regardless of any other circumstances of the accident, the CT must have been the reason, right?
No, I didn't say that. I just want evidence at the scene added to an accident report that an officer would likely overlook.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 11:32 AM
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If you’re gonna putt-putt around town, and travel slow, gradual turns, then I guess a CT is fine, and looks kinda cool. A bike with a sidecar is fine with car tires, I would think.

Bike tire manufacturers, I’m thinking because of competition, manufacturers who make “performance tires” are gonna make the best tires they possible can, for certain types of bikes and their design purposes.

Motorcycles are used in competition, for racing, (drag, road, TT, flat track, motocross, etc.) and trials competition, hill climbing, etc. I can’t think of any formal motorcycle competition where bikes use car tires.

Do what you whatever makes you happy, I’m gonna stick with motorcycle tires.


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Originally Posted by benscratchin
If you’re gonna putt-putt around town, and travel slow, gradual turns, then I guess a CT is fine, and looks kinda cool. A bike with a sidecar is fine with car tires, I would think.

Bike tire manufacturers, I’m thinking because of competition, manufacturers who make “performance tires” are gonna make the best tires they possible can, for certain types of bikes and their design purposes.

Motorcycles are used in competition, for racing, (drag, road, TT, flat track, motocross, etc.) and trials competition, hill climbing, etc. I can’t think of any formal motorcycle competition where bikes use car tires.

Do what you whatever makes you happy, I’m gonna stick with motorcycle tires.


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Soooo, where would you apply the use of heated grips in the line of motorcycle equipment? The aren't used in any competition. I guess that would apply to tour pacs, fog lights, custom grips, forward controls, heated seats, etc.
 

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On another note as far as what tire to use. Why aren't knobby tires used by drag racers? or why are tires with spikes used on ice racers?
Rhetorical questions which bring out the obvious answer, because there are specific applications for specific types of riding. CTs go well with general touring type riding. Ya want to go off road and scrape knees in the curves, ya need to stick with your MTs. I realized a long time ago with the chopper I rode. I only wear down the center part of the tire. I was cautious at first with my first CT but I got used to it and confidence grew that nothing was going to happen to me, i.e. catch fire, tire falls off the rim and I have to chase it out across the corn field or the bead would fail. Over 500,000 miles on em now and I'm still here talkin about em.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 12:47 PM
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It's one thing to decide CTs aren't for you, but to post stuff that you just fabricate in your own mind in order to win the discussion, that's just wrong. That's what the Harley service managers do.
 
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