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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
Why is it different for 2 o2 sensors? It simply means that the system does double duty.. After market V8 systems use 2 02 sensors. One in each head pipe at the collector.. What is the difference between 2 banks of o2 sensors and 2 cylinder 02 sensors other than one samples 2 sets of 4 cylinders and the other samples 2 sets of 1 cylinder? Sampling each cylinder seems better than a bank of 4 FWIW..
Your an engineer, think about the process and what is different. Then you will have the answer. If you cannot figure it out over the weekend I will come back and give you a few more hints. I do not feel it does anyone, any good, to just tell you everything. You need to use your head and figure some of it out on your own to learn and understand it better.
 
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edit: wrong thread, maybe better in Steve's thread
 

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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Cole
Your an engineer, think about the process and what is different. Then you will have the answer. If you cannot figure it out over the weekend I will come back and give you a few more hints. I do not feel it does anyone, any good, to just tell you everything. You need to use your head and figure some of it out on your own to learn and understand it better.
The only thing I can come up with that the sample might need to be synchronized on the HD if running narrow band sensor an you want to update the closed loop at higher bandwidth.
 
Old Jul 8, 2016 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
The only thing I can come up with that the sample might need to be synchronized on the HD if running narrow band sensor an you want to update the closed loop at higher bandwidth.
HINT: Make a timing diagram of the engine cycle versus the O2 sensor.............
 
Old Jul 8, 2016 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
The only thing I can come up with that the sample might need to be synchronized on the HD if running narrow band sensor an you want to update the closed loop at higher bandwidth.

Originally Posted by Steve Cole
HINT: Make a timing diagram of the engine cycle versus the O2 sensor.............
Ok so you are saying the single cylinder stuff needs to be synchronized like I mentioned above.

While I've done plenty close loop designs where most are types of signal processing are not like a 4 stroke motor.. Still the sonar stuff could require windowing the measurements using an event queue and a separate thread to collect and process analog inputs.. In my cases, the a2d conversion time was typically the greatest delay..
 

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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 07:46 PM
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HINT: Where is the sensor located and what is the volume of the chamber it is located in?
HINT: Is that volume the actual mixture from the cylinder? Is it diluted?
HINT: What's its refill rate?

Now compare to a car or truck
 
Old Jul 9, 2016 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Cole
HINT: Where is the sensor located and what is the volume of the chamber it is located in?
Well first tell me what you want to consider the "chamber" I assume you mean the exhaust pipe. Is it the head pipe between the sensor and the exhaust port? The whole exhaust?

HINT: Is that volume the actual mixture from the cylinder? Is it diluted?
Not sure where you are headed.. I would expect that the volume of gas from the cylinder that is expelled depends a number of factors.. The more important inputs would be the amount fuel / air that is combusted in the cylinder. What are the sources of dilution? Overlap, exhaust leak, reversion?


HINT: What's its refill rate?

Now compare to a car or truck
What does refill rate mean? Filling the cylinder? Filling the exhaust system? Not sure you you can use the term refill rate on an exhaust system as it is not a pump like cylinder. At you mean exchange or replacement rate? I think that the right term. Old combusted exhaust is replaced/exchanged for new?
 
Old Jul 9, 2016 | 10:34 AM
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Look at a inline 4 cylinder. One sensor in the collector. How many exhaust events happen in a second? Or pass over the sensor. Compare that to a front cylinder of a Harley with one sensor. How many exhaust events pass over this sensor in a second. 4:1 right?
 
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hrdtail78
Look at a inline 4 cylinder. One sensor in the collector. How many exhaust events happen in a second? Or pass over the sensor. Compare that to a front cylinder of a Harley with one sensor. How many exhaust events pass over this sensor in a second. 4:1 right?
Got that but what difference does it make?
 
Old Jul 9, 2016 | 06:27 PM
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Here is what the actual voltage coming off a narrow band really looks like on a digital scope. This is my Harley running open loop and idling with fueling set very close to 14.7 AFR. You will see the voltage going up and down switch about half way thru the video as the O2 sensor sniffs AFRs slightly above or below 14.7 AFR.

This is what the signal would look like to the ECU.

The scale horizontally is .25 sec per vertical line
The vertical scale .5 volts per horizontal line


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