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Road Warrior
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Andy,
I am done with you. I believe that it has went far enough that I proved what I wanted to prove. You have had plenty of opportunity to explain about scatter plots and how they are used and how you take that info and determine what changes need to be made because of this info. You have been told plenty of times that just a screen shot brings nothing to the table and guys aren't understanding what you are trying to show. You have been asked to explain it and post up the logs that go with it. You don't do this. Instead you play ignorant or try and distract from these questions that it always comes back to. You come off as a big sham pushing snake oil.
I have no problem posting screen shots and backing up with data. I would actually post more data but I don't want you to collect it. I posted a Vtune file and the calibration. I was showing how I use the 3d graphs to answer a question that I had when looking at a Vtune3 generated calibration. A CSV file is no good for this. It wont show you what I am looking at and why my questions came up or what I did to solve the problem or why the problem was there.
You yourself had this same opportunity in a thread that would welcome it and what the thread was actually about. You didn't or couldn't do this. BUT now you want to involve yourself because I posted more data.
If you truly had something. You would of posted it by now. Your lack of true data tells me you have nothing. We are past the point of baffling us with your BS. Maybe you should go back to HTT where the water is more shallow.
I'm going to do my best just to ignore you and I suggest others do the same.
So what's your point? Was the log from a tuned bike or from a bike that was in the process of being tuned?
edit* Post up some of the logs from a bike you tuned Andy. Let's have a look.
Last edited by Wide Open Cycles; Jul 8, 2016 at 04:33 PM.
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I guess Andy isn't going to address my question of showing data. Making a statement and having the data not back up what you are saying. O well, we will move on.
3d graphs are great for looking at an over view of the log. It's a good way to look at a bunch of data all at once.
This is going to based in TTS, but the files can be converted to use MLV or any program that has 3d capability. Since it is already built in. I didn't go through the trouble of converting.
The bike is a dyna, 117, 13.85 compression, S&S 675, Burns exhaust, 62mm TB. Pump gas. This is worse case here and a good example.
When logging Vtune data of the calibration and trying to generate a new calibration. I am missing a lot of changes that I now I got by looking at the data in the histogram. (I couldn't get a shot of that, open it up and run it) I didn't know why. So, I want to look at all of it in an overview. In a quick view I can see that it is pulling a bunch of timing. When it does this. Vtune considers this data garbage in this area and filters it out. Look at the attached pic and you can see the hole in my generated calibration. This can also be seen in the Vtune program but this is a TPS base VE table, and looking at it with TPS/RPM puts it in the same as VE table.
3d graphs are great for looking at an over view of the log. It's a good way to look at a bunch of data all at once.
This is going to based in TTS, but the files can be converted to use MLV or any program that has 3d capability. Since it is already built in. I didn't go through the trouble of converting.
The bike is a dyna, 117, 13.85 compression, S&S 675, Burns exhaust, 62mm TB. Pump gas. This is worse case here and a good example.
When logging Vtune data of the calibration and trying to generate a new calibration. I am missing a lot of changes that I now I got by looking at the data in the histogram. (I couldn't get a shot of that, open it up and run it) I didn't know why. So, I want to look at all of it in an overview. In a quick view I can see that it is pulling a bunch of timing. When it does this. Vtune considers this data garbage in this area and filters it out. Look at the attached pic and you can see the hole in my generated calibration. This can also be seen in the Vtune program but this is a TPS base VE table, and looking at it with TPS/RPM puts it in the same as VE table.
Originally Posted by whittlebeast
Did you guys notice that the second log had a bunch of knock retard going on?
Notice how lean the motor is at 1950 and 100 KPA both front and rear.
Andy
Notice how lean the motor is at 1950 and 100 KPA both front and rear.
Andy
Andy
All this post shows everyone is you cannot read very well, to go along with the fact the you cannot tune very well.
Last edited by Steve Cole; Jul 8, 2016 at 05:59 PM.
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Andy
Anytime you want to learn and understand how an EFI system really works then maybe your made up filters could help. You've already shown everyone that filters can twist the real data to a point that makes it look different than it really is! We already know how much you like to do that and avoid answering any direct asked questions.
It's ashamed too, as the people that have believed the stuff you show, are the one's who really get hurt.
The time has come for you to put up or shut up. It's not hard, just answer the questions with no tricks. Just reread the last halve of this thread and answer ALL the questions you have been asked for with the data to support it.
Anytime you want to learn and understand how an EFI system really works then maybe your made up filters could help. You've already shown everyone that filters can twist the real data to a point that makes it look different than it really is! We already know how much you like to do that and avoid answering any direct asked questions.
It's ashamed too, as the people that have believed the stuff you show, are the one's who really get hurt.
The time has come for you to put up or shut up. It's not hard, just answer the questions with no tricks. Just reread the last halve of this thread and answer ALL the questions you have been asked for with the data to support it.
Last edited by Steve Cole; Jul 8, 2016 at 06:10 PM.
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I'm sure the request to Andy is respectfully requested.
Everyone has a right to post here but no skewed/incorrect/misleading information will be tolerated. This forum is a place to learn and help others.
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Everyone has a right to post here but no skewed/incorrect/misleading information will be tolerated. This forum is a place to learn and help others.
Thanks
Cruiser
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Post the hard unfiltered data for all to see.
Kudos to Hardtail tho for doing just that.