Upgrade to stock motor
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Upgrade to stock motor
I ride an 2001 Electricglide Classic; currently have screaming eagle air kit, power commander and rhnehart true dual exhaust installed. For a winter project to improve power I am considering installing Wiseco flat top 95" pistons and a set of Andrew 21G gear drive cams. I believe this conversion does it's best work at normal road speeds. It has a much wider power band than stock and can pass a truck with a mere twist of the wrist-- there's no need to downshift. Useful power starts at a lower rpm and remains far higher than stock all the way to redline, with no loss of reliability and drivability is better than stock.-any opinions or feedback?
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From: Southeast Wisconsin
RE: Upgrade to stock motor
I don't know...$2000 to $3000 for an additional 7 cubic inches? In my opinion, Harley's should be 95 c.i. or even 103 c.i. right out of the box and getting us to pay that much for basic performance upgrades is highway robbery...especially when you consider that a Rocket III from Triumph sells for $15,900 and comes with 140+ horsepower and 140 lbs. of torque!
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RE: Upgrade to stock motor
It is robbery....but.....we buy it! Good ole free enterprise.....If no one would buy ad on's from Harley maybe they would be more competitive [8D]
If I owned Harley I would do the same thing!!!! Why not? If people are buying your price is not to high!
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If I owned Harley I would do the same thing!!!! Why not? If people are buying your price is not to high!
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Tourer
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From: Prior Lake, MN
RE: Upgrade to stock motor
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I ride an 2001 Electricglide Classic; currently have screaming eagle air kit, power commander and rhnehart true dual exhaust installed. For a winter project to improve power I am considering installing Wiseco flat top 95" pistons and a set of Andrew 21G gear drive cams. I believe this conversion does it's best work at normal road speeds. It has a much wider power band than stock and can pass a truck with a mere twist of the wrist-- there's no need to downshift. Useful power starts at a lower rpm and remains far higher than stock all the way to redline, with no loss of reliability and drivability is better than stock.-any opinions or feedback?
I ride an 2001 Electricglide Classic; currently have screaming eagle air kit, power commander and rhnehart true dual exhaust installed. For a winter project to improve power I am considering installing Wiseco flat top 95" pistons and a set of Andrew 21G gear drive cams. I believe this conversion does it's best work at normal road speeds. It has a much wider power band than stock and can pass a truck with a mere twist of the wrist-- there's no need to downshift. Useful power starts at a lower rpm and remains far higher than stock all the way to redline, with no loss of reliability and drivability is better than stock.-any opinions or feedback?
It seems a little strange to me that so many people do the 95” upgrade without trying to upgrade the 88” they have. It seems everyone wants a 95” with a hot cam and some headwork. Well why not add cams to your 88” and have some headwork done? Everyone seems to want to throw half of the engine away and replace it to get from 1450cc to 1550cc. I could understand it more if you where going from 1450 to something like 1800 - 2000cc, but for just a 100cc and a few horsepower? Why wouldn’t you add the exhaust, SERT, SE air filter (all of which you would already need for the 95” build) and a cam and now how much of a difference is a dealer SE 95” build got on you? Could more compression be added to the 88” and still be reliable? Maybe when you have the heads off you could install new gaskets for some more compression as well. I’m new to Harleys so maybe I just don’t understand yet.
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From: Prior Lake, MN
RE: Upgrade to stock motor
The first dyno sheet is from faribaulthd.com. This is a dealer here in Minnesota. I looked up an old thread from a guy who had his stage I done to his 88” at this dealership. The stage I added 8HP and 8TQ. Below is what Faribault HD said they could do with a cam.
“The dyno guy at the dealer is also the service manager and showed me some other dyno results after a stage 1 and Andrews 37 cams. He said he could get me another 10 hp and another 10 in torque for $500. The price includes the cams, lifters, labor and dyno tuning.”
The last dyno sheet if for a 95” stage II and it's taken right out of the current Screaming Eagle online catalog.
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“The dyno guy at the dealer is also the service manager and showed me some other dyno results after a stage 1 and Andrews 37 cams. He said he could get me another 10 hp and another 10 in torque for $500. The price includes the cams, lifters, labor and dyno tuning.”
The last dyno sheet if for a 95” stage II and it's taken right out of the current Screaming Eagle online catalog.
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Road Master
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From: Front Royal, Virginia
RE: Upgrade to stock motor
I read that article also and confirmed with someone I trust that the article is a good mod. I bought a set of used cyclinders and just sent them off to Wiesco. My guy is doing the package mid November. I'll post results.
Gary
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RE: Upgrade to stock motor
It seems a little strange to me that so many people do the 95” upgrade without trying to upgrade the 88” they have.
Road Master
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From: Front Royal, Virginia
RE: Upgrade to stock motor
I don't know Steve, there are a lot bigger engines out there than the Harley twin cam. Seems like 1700's or so are becoming the norm. Don't you think Harley needs to bump up to the 1550 as standard fare in the next couple of years to keep up. I'll bet they do, maybe next year. I'd like to see that happen along with the 6 speed.
Gary
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