tuner,tuning advice
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tuner,tuning advice
quick recap abot the bike first. last year i had monster ovals, stage 1 ac, and xieds on the bike. Got a pcv from a member that was defective and got a new one sent to me. Hooked it up and the bike didnt start easily, tested the battery and everything came out ok. Went to dynojet tech supprt with the same results. i rode it a bi with the pcv and map from the dj site and didnt really notice anything different over the xieds. When i got the bike it had just the monster ovals, i got the ac and xieds and the bike ran about the same. still got hot as hell,still have a decel pop, and some throttle lag. Ive been talking with Brian at fuel moto all morning about the micro tuner and my concerns about having the same issues i had with the pcv. Im hesitant to spend the money if i get the same results. Being the good guys they are Brian doesnt try to sell me the micro tuner just to make money however he thinks it wont do what id like it to do. i have no starting issues with the xieds or the rockford amp which was installed after the pcv. I dont see how the pcv could draw more than my amp would. Id like the bike to start easily lose some heat and the decel pop as well as have a crisp throttle. Theres always a bit of hesitation if i try to get on it from time to time. I should have my new pipes on wednesday and would like to add the tuner to cap off the few mods ive done. I dont want to do burn outs or pick up the front wheel just want a smooth running bike. The bike is mechanically sound, so i think any underlying issues can b ruled out. I know i have the same mods as many others who seem to be happy with their set up. I plan on getting a new battery just to rule that out as a factor as well. sorry for the length of this just tryin to get all the info out that i can
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before plunking on a new battery, test the old one and the charging system...cables too.
why spend if you don;t have to.
the major drawback I see with a piggyback tuner is that the number of connections between the bike and ecm are doubled--- low voltage, low current signals pass through those connections and a dirty or bent pin can cause problems.
add to the user settings have to be pretty right.
do you see any better or worse result over using just the xieds? ( which I think you know I use to good result)
throttle response...reset the throttle sensor...on/off wait...on/off etc
mike
mike
why spend if you don;t have to.
the major drawback I see with a piggyback tuner is that the number of connections between the bike and ecm are doubled--- low voltage, low current signals pass through those connections and a dirty or bent pin can cause problems.
add to the user settings have to be pretty right.
do you see any better or worse result over using just the xieds? ( which I think you know I use to good result)
throttle response...reset the throttle sensor...on/off wait...on/off etc
mike
mike
Last edited by mkguitar; Feb 3, 2015 at 02:13 PM.
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When I first got the pcv I I tried the map that fit my mods from dynojet and noticed the starting issue.. Erased the map and tried again thinking maybe I did something wrong.. After a week or so of the tuner sitting on my table I sent fm an email about a map and never got a response so I sold the pcv and stayed with the xieds.. This was last year.. Brian has been on the spot with replies today..
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When I first got the pcv I I tried the map that fit my mods from dynojet and noticed the starting issue.. Erased the map and tried again thinking maybe I did something wrong.. After a week or so of the tuner sitting on my table I sent fm an email about a map and never got a response so I sold the pcv and stayed with the xieds.. This was last year.. Brian has been on the spot with replies today..
Having been in your shoes before, I'd choose a good flash tuner(several good ones to choose from) and be done with it. That way you'll have a tuner that will grow with whatever you decide to do.
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before plunking on a new battery, test the old one and the charging system...cables too.
why spend if you don;t have to.
the major drawback I see with a piggyback tuner is that the number of connections between the bike and ecm are doubled--- low voltage, low current signals pass through those connections and a dirty or bent pin can cause problems.
add to the user settings have to be pretty right.
do you see any better or worse result over using just the xieds? ( which I think you know I use to good result)
throttle response...reset the throttle sensor...on/off wait...on/off etc
mike
mike
why spend if you don;t have to.
the major drawback I see with a piggyback tuner is that the number of connections between the bike and ecm are doubled--- low voltage, low current signals pass through those connections and a dirty or bent pin can cause problems.
add to the user settings have to be pretty right.
do you see any better or worse result over using just the xieds? ( which I think you know I use to good result)
throttle response...reset the throttle sensor...on/off wait...on/off etc
mike
mike
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Bates.. I thought about that too.. I can say I don't plan on doing major engine mods all I want but I'll always want more .. I'm never happy with the bike lol.. Went from stock audio to kappas and the Rockford amp.. That was good for a about a week then I wanted more sound.. This will be my 3 set of pipes for this bike and my 7th overall for the 2 bikes I've owned
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as for the start--and I am guessing--- it could be the PCV needs a couple of rotations to gather data before firing- the good news is that this builds forward momentum as the TC has light flywheels.
the 8% is a cheat ...and the ecm does the rest- under most throttle conditions.
cold starts and WOT are going to revert to canned maps.
so not the do-all, be-all.
I've had good results, based on my needs, riding style and tuning experience ( I am pretty good with the CV carb, I also have some auto trades training)...so i know and understand what they do.
back to you...having had the pcv's on and off your bike should have cleaned the connections- but have a go at the connector pins with a plastic safe contact cleaner.
you have a good handle on your bike- if your voltage doesn;t look right- look into the charging system and battery, but be methodical
thinking about your amp...pull the fuse to it to ensure that it is off...any difference? it could be that a large capacitor ( car audio shop) on teh power line will smooth out teh amp's power demands which will surge with the bass drum (low freqs require more power to reproduce--- you could also put in a high pass filter at 50 Hz or so...this will stop the amp from trying to reproduce notes an octave below what your speakers are capable of doing)
mike
the 8% is a cheat ...and the ecm does the rest- under most throttle conditions.
cold starts and WOT are going to revert to canned maps.
so not the do-all, be-all.
I've had good results, based on my needs, riding style and tuning experience ( I am pretty good with the CV carb, I also have some auto trades training)...so i know and understand what they do.
back to you...having had the pcv's on and off your bike should have cleaned the connections- but have a go at the connector pins with a plastic safe contact cleaner.
you have a good handle on your bike- if your voltage doesn;t look right- look into the charging system and battery, but be methodical
thinking about your amp...pull the fuse to it to ensure that it is off...any difference? it could be that a large capacitor ( car audio shop) on teh power line will smooth out teh amp's power demands which will surge with the bass drum (low freqs require more power to reproduce--- you could also put in a high pass filter at 50 Hz or so...this will stop the amp from trying to reproduce notes an octave below what your speakers are capable of doing)
mike
Last edited by mkguitar; Feb 3, 2015 at 02:38 PM.
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Yep I said the same thing too but I'm glad I went with a flash tuner this time. Just installed a set of Woods 777s right before winter. I'm quite sure that won't be then end of it either. As far as your friend on the 07 pulling away from you, it's strictly in the gearing between your bike and his. I know because I had an 08. He's probably jumping you in first and just pulling away after that.
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