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From: Olive & Oak
You've already gutted your headpipe, so now the best to do is to wait until you can afford the tuner.
May I ask why the SE Pro? I commend your choice of using a flash tuner, but that would be dead last on my list of recommendations....
If I've posted it once, I bet I've posted it 40 times...
The FIRST thing a man should do when considering making changes is GET A TUNER. It will help a stock bike, and when you change pipes and or air cleaner, you're ready for it.
Can you run without a tuner? Yes.
Will you blow your engine up running without a tuner? Probably not.
Can you expect to get 50,000 miles out of your engine without a tuner? Most likely.
Will it run correctly without a tuner? No.
Dealers and their parts and service departments are a business, in business to sell motorcycles, and motorcycle parts and accessories. They tell you that you can get away without a tuner, because a LOT of guys won't come off the jack for a tuner, and they're afraid they'll lose sales if they tell you to get a tuner.
Changing the air flow without changing the VE tables is not beneficial. These bikes run lean from the factory, adding a more free flowing exhaust makes them run more lean.
Do what you want, I won't criticize, just trying to offer things to think about.
...but there is a reason I won't buy a used bike as my primary ride...
May I ask why the SE Pro? I commend your choice of using a flash tuner, but that would be dead last on my list of recommendations....
If I've posted it once, I bet I've posted it 40 times...
The FIRST thing a man should do when considering making changes is GET A TUNER. It will help a stock bike, and when you change pipes and or air cleaner, you're ready for it.
Can you run without a tuner? Yes.
Will you blow your engine up running without a tuner? Probably not.
Can you expect to get 50,000 miles out of your engine without a tuner? Most likely.
Will it run correctly without a tuner? No.
Dealers and their parts and service departments are a business, in business to sell motorcycles, and motorcycle parts and accessories. They tell you that you can get away without a tuner, because a LOT of guys won't come off the jack for a tuner, and they're afraid they'll lose sales if they tell you to get a tuner.
Changing the air flow without changing the VE tables is not beneficial. These bikes run lean from the factory, adding a more free flowing exhaust makes them run more lean.
Do what you want, I won't criticize, just trying to offer things to think about.
...but there is a reason I won't buy a used bike as my primary ride...
You might want to update your response.
And BTW, I agree with you.
Last edited by J929626; Mar 16, 2015 at 06:15 PM.
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Cruiser
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From: Mooresville,NC
A tuner was always on my list of to dos. Its gonna happen in the next month or two. Just wondering if it would hurt to install mufflers without it for the time being. I choose the se pro because its what the guy whos gonna dyno tune it is most familiar with.
At least I'm consistant....
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