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Aug 11, 2015 | 05:38 AM

#21

Puma NJ

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Originally Posted by Plasteredcat

i am surprised they didn't introduce the 107 motors to replace the 103 and replace the 110 motor with the 120SE..... This must be there plain maybe next year or the year after. Looks like Victory is pushing the big engine plant game this year and HD figures there market share is for sure thing.

What is Victory doing? The only thing new I saw on their site was the electric bike being available. I like Polaris products and have considered a Victory for years, including right now, but they cheated on that as it is just the old Brammo Empulse rebadged as a Vic, whereas the HD, if it ever gets to production, was designed from scratch.

Aug 11, 2015 | 07:32 AM

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Bart van der Meulen

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As we are in Europe (as in California) subjected to high demands of emissions to the air, be prepared for 'down sizing' of engines. We see cars, not so long ago delivered with 2.0 ltrs engines now being introduced with 1.4 and even 1.2 ltr engines with a high rpm and turbo. The torque is less, but the hp the same as the high volume engines. According me, a wrong development because the "environmental footprint" of a vehicle is not only determined by the fuel consumption and emissions to the air but due to an extended life time as well. The ecological footprint of a worn out vehicle at 100k kms is higher than a vehicle with a bigger engine and easliy doing 250k kms. Because to meet the kms one need 2.5x a small engine vehicle and only 1 high volume vehicle. Count your environmental losses.
Motorbikes will follow, without any doubts. I doubt if a 120 cu engine can tribute so much to the use in normal traffic with the present HD bikes. The 103 and 110 are already twin-cooled and delivers enough power for daily use. A bigger engine like the 120 and bigger is only usefull in sporting situations. But who of us can afford himself a racing motorbike or speeds as a guarantee to crash? Not IF but WHEN..? Why not satisfied with the 110 and 103? Because we want to have 'the biggest'? My wife says that not 'the biggest' counts but what you can do with your size..

Aug 11, 2015 | 10:09 AM

#23

beary

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Originally Posted by Bart van der Meulen

Why not satisfied with the 110 and 103? Because we want to have 'the biggest'? My wife says that not 'the biggest' counts but what you can do with your size..

Your comparison is flawed because the motorcycle in the US is not a standard use of transportation unlike the car in European. The vast majority of American motorcycles probably gets less than 2000 miles a year. Bigger in the states is bragging rights, which translates into marketing. Mention the Harley 120 on the Indian forum and they start foaming at the mouth and going into fits. The Indian 111 is a pretty good engine that beats the present Harley motor and performs well to most of the average rider’s needs. But a 120, well!, that just gets the discussion going again, doesn’t it.

Beary

Aug 11, 2015 | 10:59 AM

#24

westnash

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However the twin cool 110 as well as TC 103 put out more hp and should run longer than the air cooled Victory and Indian.

I agree that the Victory 107 has a lot going for it as a modern designed motor....but most HD people wont go for it.

Aug 12, 2015 | 05:10 AM

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Puma NJ

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In the CARB report. Non CVO Fat Boy and Slim S models with 110's.

Aug 12, 2015 | 06:04 AM

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09 YELLOWBIRD

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Originally Posted by Puma NJ

In the CARB report. Non CVO Fat Boy and Slim S models with 110's.

The MoCo had to do something to pump up the sales for their new weakest link!
The Softail line has been struggling for sometime.

This in my opinion means that larger motors are in the works for the touring or Dyna models or other models in the near future.

The bigger question is when?

YB

Aug 12, 2015 | 09:37 AM

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Puma NJ

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Originally Posted by 09 YELLOWBIRD

You are probably right. Remember how the 103 started in some touring bikes as the Power Pack and was in the RK Classic standard. Then was in all touring bikes a year later. Then most Dynas, but not the Super Glide and Street Glide. Then finally across the line. If I remember correctly the Softails also held onto the Evo a year longer than the other models. They probably won't put it in the whole line until the 120 is ready for the CVO's.

Aug 12, 2015 | 09:37 AM

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bzb123

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Originally Posted by 09 YELLOWBIRD

If they really wanted to bump up the Softail or Dyna line, all they have to do is add cruise control.

Can't understand why it is not an option. You have to buy the CVO to get cruise. My tech guy says the computers in the bikes "know" the cruise is available but MOCO has no allowed the install of factory cruise???

But, what do I know, I went from dirt bikes straight to touring bikes.