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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 03:49 PM
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I don't believe the stock air shock are emulsion dampers. There are non pressurized oil bath. Like most front forks. Emulsion is oil and gas mixed in the same chamber under pressure.
I'm not an expert in shocks--but emulsion is simply air and oil mixed, pressurized or non-pressurized. We run emulsion shocks in off-road that utilize silicone fluid and air in a non-pressurized environment.

So, the stock shocks are likely an emulsion shock, as oil doesn't compress well by itself.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 04:03 PM
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I don't believe the stock air shock are emulsion dampers. There are non pressurized oil bath. Like most front forks. Emulsion is oil and gas mixed in the same chamber under pressure.
The emulsion you describe starts out life as separate oil and air or gas. They are not mixed or emulsified as part of the manufacturing process. The oil and air/gas only become emulsified while in motion, as a result of the two being worked through the damper mechanism.

Inevitably the oil in a shock, of any sort, or fork will settle out to the lowest point. We put in neat oil to our forks when changing it, which is the same for any shock. If we were to take a ride round the block and drain the 'new' oil out it would already be partially emulsified, having gone in as neat clean clear oil.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2015 | 12:50 PM
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In all the years I have been around racing, which doesn't make me automatically right LOL , I have never heard of any NON gas pressurized damper referred to as an emulsion style damper. Call 'em what you want guys!
 
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Old Nov 27, 2015 | 01:44 PM
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In all the years I have been around racing, which doesn't make me automatically right LOL , I have never heard of any NON gas pressurized damper referred to as an emulsion style damper. Call 'em what you want guys!
You're showing your age!

Lift your bike up, so the front wheel is off the ground. Drain your damper forks of oil, then refill and replace the caps. They are now sealed, air tight, at atmospheric pressure. Put the bike back down on the ground, so it's weight is on both wheels, your forks are now under mild pressure. Sit on it and they are under a little more pressure. If they are Harley air forks top them up, they are now at up to 50psi. The air and oil are still separate, as they were when first filled. Ride down the road, they are now emulsified. 'Twas ever thus, since telescopic forks and dampers were invented. The expression 'emulsified' is modern, to distinguish between them and the original separated style, which have a diaphragm between the oil and gas. It's a simple as that!
 
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Old Nov 27, 2015 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by grbrown
You're showing your age!

Lift your bike up, so the front wheel is off the ground. Drain your damper forks of oil, then refill and replace the caps. They are now sealed, air tight, at atmospheric pressure. Put the bike back down on the ground, so it's weight is on both wheels, your forks are now under mild pressure. Sit on it and they are under a little more pressure. If they are Harley air forks top them up, they are now at up to 50psi. The air and oil are still separate, as they were when first filled. Ride down the road, they are now emulsified. 'Twas ever thus, since telescopic forks and dampers were invented. The expression 'emulsified' is modern, to distinguish between them and the original separated style, which have a diaphragm between the oil and gas. It's a simple as that!
Like i said call 'em what you want but I don't think I have ever heard of forks being called emulsion style. I have a tad bit of experience with suspension having been a mech on a mx race team, but hey you are clearly more qualified than I.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2015 | 04:29 PM
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Is there a link to Pro Action shocks that has specifications for Harleys such as length and travel? I went to the web site and found nothing but generic info. Granted that there good guys and will build what you want, but it would be nice to have some base line info ahead of time, prior to calling them.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2015 | 04:55 PM
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but it would be nice to have some base line info ahead of time, prior to calling them.
Call them, either DJ or Gary will answer.
They will tell you all you need to know and more.
The web site has the lengths, 11 12 and 13.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2015 | 05:04 PM
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At first I didn't really like these shocks, thought they where to stiff, but after thousands of miles they have broke in or I got used to them or both. They did fade bad on a 16 hour day about 800 miles , 350 mile days are fine. Don't ever want to do the twin cities to mid Michigan in one day again. Going to try the thicker oil in the forks come spring.
 
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Originally Posted by qtrracer
Like i said call 'em what you want but I don't think I have ever heard of forks being called emulsion style. I have a tad bit of experience with suspension having been a mech on a mx race team, but hey you are clearly more qualified than I.
I suspect I've simply been around a lot longer!
 
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Old Nov 27, 2015 | 05:38 PM
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Ok - I figured out my confusion and lack of info problem. Go to http://street.pro-action.com/ not just http://pro-action.com/ No useful Harley info on the latter and no apparent link to street info.
 
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