Stage 1 question
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Stage 1 question
I installed Wild Pigs slip-ons last week before heading to Daytona. When I got there, one of the pipes had started to blue. I called the manufacturer and they said it was because the bike was running too lean. They sent me out a replacement pipe at no charge. I plan on upgrading the air filter and taking the bike to the dealership to have it tuned. My question is this, can I buy a K&N air filter and use the stock housing? Is that considered a stage one upgrade? Or do I need to buy an actual stage one upgrade with mounting kit?
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Not sure what bike you have, but "stage 1" is air cleaner, exhaust, and EFI tuner if you have fuel injection or rejetting the carb. If you just change the air cleaner without a tune then it'll just run leaner than before.
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The air cleaner also includes a new backing plate and not just a filter element which actually allows a higher flow rate.
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are you leaving the Cats in??
I also did the slip ons - Rush - No bluing but they have different packing up front to help this Not happen..
I have ask the question about doing the stage one AC and upload - have been told its mostly a waste of $$ since I am leaving the Cat in??
would be interested to see what you gain out of yours ?? 150 for the kit and another 100-150 for the shop upload
I also did the slip ons - Rush - No bluing but they have different packing up front to help this Not happen..
I have ask the question about doing the stage one AC and upload - have been told its mostly a waste of $$ since I am leaving the Cat in??
would be interested to see what you gain out of yours ?? 150 for the kit and another 100-150 for the shop upload
I installed Wild Pigs slip-ons last week before heading to Daytona. When I got there, one of the pipes had started to blue. I called the manufacturer and they said it was because the bike was running too lean. They sent me out a replacement pipe at no charge. I plan on upgrading the air filter and taking the bike to the dealership to have it tuned. My question is this, can I buy a K&N air filter and use the stock housing? Is that considered a stage one upgrade? Or do I need to buy an actual stage one upgrade with mounting kit?
Regarding the tuning, 9 out 10 times you are Not going to get a good tune out of a Dealership. #1 reason is that, by law, they cannot tune it rich enough to run good.
Better to get an XiED product (budget) or a Power Vision (best there is) and you do not need to pay anybody to tune it, and you know you will have a good tune.
This LINK has some good info over-viewing what makes up a good Stage I vs. a mediocre or bad one.
All Stage I's are NOT created equal!
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Wareagle, I had a similar experience, but with Vance & Hines Hi-Output slip ons. There was bluing right at the internal part of the rear chrome end cap after riding it home 30 miles from the dealership. I contacted both the dealer that put them on and Vance & Hines...they both said the bluing was normal. Well I saw at least 5 other late model touring bikes with these slip ons at the H-D Museum bike night a few days later, and none of them had bluing. I am pretty sure mine blued due to a lean running condition. I do not yet have a stage 1 A/C or aftermarket fuel management system.
Doesn't make sense that your pipe manufacturer would send you a new pipe when the bluing occurred due to no fault of their's. Didn't the new one just blue like the original anyway?
Power Vision is way overkill for what you need to correct a lean condition on a Stage 1. All you need is the XIED's or the Vance & Hines Fuelpak.
Doesn't make sense that your pipe manufacturer would send you a new pipe when the bluing occurred due to no fault of their's. Didn't the new one just blue like the original anyway?
Power Vision is way overkill for what you need to correct a lean condition on a Stage 1. All you need is the XIED's or the Vance & Hines Fuelpak.
