88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
ORIGINAL: PhilM
Troy ~ that's a reasonably simple requirement to satisfy.
Have you cylinders bored to 95" ~ $150
S/E 1550 pistons ~ $110
Gasket kit ~ $70
Andrews 26G cams ~ $225
Gear diver kit ~ $325
oil & filter ~ $60
cam install kit ~ $35
SERT ~ $450
DTT TwinScan II+ ~ $400
HD SVC Manual ~ $60
Weld 02 bungs on pipes ~ $40
Total= $1925
Those prices are "good" prices and you would have to get certain things from certian vendor (not your dealership), but it can be done in your garage.... all but getting the jugs bored.
An alternative would be getting headwork and a different set of cams (HQ-0034 perhaps), but given your criteria, the list above would be MORE than adequate. I would NOT recommend head work on 06 heads with Andrews 26's. They are DESIGNED to work with stock flow rates & compression ratios. I have personally seen worse results with worked heads & these cams.
With the SERT and DTT TwinScan II+, you can tune the bike in on your own with your PC.
ORIGINAL: tkjones2
i have a bunch of the same type question, and getting confused as well, what im hoping and tell me if its a pipe dream. 95 kit, cams and porting/polishing heads. i ride mostly in the 2500-4000 rpm range 2 up alot no major top end needed, need low and mid range. true duals and either a pciii or sert and dyno. but out here in BFE oklahoma finding premium unleaded can be a challange on a sunday afternoon, im not so much worried about the 100/100 club, but just some decant relaible power for 2 up riding and trying to keep it under 3000.00 on price
i have a bunch of the same type question, and getting confused as well, what im hoping and tell me if its a pipe dream. 95 kit, cams and porting/polishing heads. i ride mostly in the 2500-4000 rpm range 2 up alot no major top end needed, need low and mid range. true duals and either a pciii or sert and dyno. but out here in BFE oklahoma finding premium unleaded can be a challange on a sunday afternoon, im not so much worried about the 100/100 club, but just some decant relaible power for 2 up riding and trying to keep it under 3000.00 on price
Have you cylinders bored to 95" ~ $150
S/E 1550 pistons ~ $110
Gasket kit ~ $70
Andrews 26G cams ~ $225
Gear diver kit ~ $325
oil & filter ~ $60
cam install kit ~ $35
SERT ~ $450
DTT TwinScan II+ ~ $400
HD SVC Manual ~ $60
Weld 02 bungs on pipes ~ $40
Total= $1925
Those prices are "good" prices and you would have to get certain things from certian vendor (not your dealership), but it can be done in your garage.... all but getting the jugs bored.
An alternative would be getting headwork and a different set of cams (HQ-0034 perhaps), but given your criteria, the list above would be MORE than adequate. I would NOT recommend head work on 06 heads with Andrews 26's. They are DESIGNED to work with stock flow rates & compression ratios. I have personally seen worse results with worked heads & these cams.
With the SERT and DTT TwinScan II+, you can tune the bike in on your own with your PC.
Phil: i know the head work would be more expensive, but if i went with a differant set of cams and the port and polish would i see significant gains for that little extra ?? from the price i have seen comparing the 95 to the 103, 110 etc after the 95 kit the rest is big bucks for alot smaller results, and depandability is the key here, i know we have heard this a bizillion times, but im hoping withe the customazation possibilities on the roadie she will be the last bike ill want for a long time. so if i wind up with 35k in her with paint and engine but kept her 15 years it would be worth it to me. Also im in the process of remodling a old house that sits in out back yard to open it up and get some electrical etc so maybe next year i have a shop and place for winter storage instead of the local u store it. we dont have a garage, i guess if heads would be a additional 500 would they net me 15-20 more hp and torque?? with the correct cams of course? and the 26 cams you spoke of what is thier power band ??
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
ORIGINAL: Dalton
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
I knew a fair amount about building motors when I asked a few people here (PhilM, Dalton, Bryan, DI75 and a few others) what to build, and they all chimed in with some valuable input. All things aside, I spoke with Steve at GMR Performance and bought the build noted in my signature. This combo was just testedon another 07 Glide (with a bit bigger cam set)where hedialed this build in to Start, Idle, Cruise in Traffic,Churn when climbing in 6th gear from 1500' to 6000' above sea level, and beyond that, the bike he tested this combo on would shred the tires, pull wheelies,and still offered much cruisability. Yes some want a little wee bump in power, but others want pure excitement, and for that, you are best talk to a reputable builder cause everyone is different, and each build can be just a little off from another build simply due to a riders style.Talk to the experts and don't be afraid to ask for a little education in here. You're better off getting as much good advice as possible before dropping your dough and need to weigh the pro's and cons!
Here's a link to my build enquiry. Some good reading here for those that want some 110-120HP builds. Good luck!
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
ORIGINAL: Dalton
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
When my friend went to the dealer to get the Stage 2 BB installed, they told him this mod would void the warranty. He went to another dealer and they said it would not void the warranty. Apparently even the dealers are confused about how the HD warranty program works. He had the second dealer do the work. If anything happens I guess that is when you find out who knows and who doesn't. Anybody know where the written policy on warrantees regarding HD mods can be found. There must be one somewhere or maybe HD keeps it vague so they don't have to fix anything. I believe that's there MO anyway.
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
ORIGINAL: B dog
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
ORIGINAL: Dalton
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
I went with the MOCO's 103" and got 89.6 hp/105ft lbs tq (204 cam, SERT, D&D Fat Cat 2>1 exhaust) and my dealer says warranty (including extension)still good.
Was it the right thing to do? At first I was a little disapp'd in hp because I was expecting 90 - 95, but after riding it I'm happy with it. I just don't plan on doing any dyno shootouts or racing, andit's plenty of power for riding solo or 2 up.
Was it the right thing to do? At first I was a little disapp'd in hp because I was expecting 90 - 95, but after riding it I'm happy with it. I just don't plan on doing any dyno shootouts or racing, andit's plenty of power for riding solo or 2 up.
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
[quote]ORIGINAL: GlideMan
Look in the new screaming eagle book and you will find a watered down 103 kit that states clearly, does not void warranty. It must be installed as designed c/w theirmild cams, cast pistons, watered down heads, and their soft tone exhaust. It must also be dealer installed. Do that and you'll have warranty from coast to coast, but the $$$ you'll spend to get that extra horsepower likely isn't worth it as it will likely give you the estimated 80+ HP and 95+ Torque
ORIGINAL: B dog
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
ORIGINAL: Dalton
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
[quote]ORIGINAL: madurodave
[quote]ORIGINAL: GlideMan
Look in the new screaming eagle book and you will find a watered down 103 kit that states clearly, does not void warranty. It must be installed as designed c/w theirmild cams, cast pistons, watered down heads, and their soft tone exhaust. It must also be dealer installed. Do that and you'll have warranty from coast to coast, but the $$$ you'll spend to get that extra horsepower likely isn't worth it as it will likely give you th
[quote]ORIGINAL: GlideMan
ORIGINAL: B dog
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
ORIGINAL: Dalton
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
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RE: 88 95 103 110 UPGRADES (Confusion confusion confusion)
[quote]ORIGINAL: B dog
[quote]ORIGINAL: madurodave
[quote]ORIGINAL: GlideMan
Look in the new screaming eagle book and you will find a watered down 103 kit that states clearly, does not void warranty. It must be installed as designed c/w theirmild cams, cast pistons, watered down heads, and their soft tone exhaust. It must also be dealer installed. Do that and you'll have warranty from coast to coast, but the $$$ you'll spend to get that extra horsepower likely isn't worth it a
[quote]ORIGINAL: madurodave
[quote]ORIGINAL: GlideMan
ORIGINAL: B dog
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
ORIGINAL: Dalton
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
B dog, you are really asking for the impossible. There are literally hundreds of different builds that can be done, if not thousands if you take each build and substitute a different cam, different pipe, different head, etc.
One way to find out what works is to call the builders, such as GMR, Woods Performance, Headquarters, Kuryakyn, etc, and describe what you want as an end result of the build. Torque - where in the RPM range? HP, how much? Do you ride two up all the time? How much to spend? Warranty, no warranty? It is just not possible to put it all in one place. Look at my build, much different than a lot of others, but all parts designed to work well with each other. Others on this site the same way with HQ or GMR.
Keep asking the questions, forum members will answer (with a lot of different options). Call the manufacturers, read all you can and then take the plunge.
The key to your question as to what is the best build is what do you want, and then-who is doing the answering.
In response, The one word I here over all others is WARRANTY. Most people that purchase a Harley, especially in the touring section travel and want the reliability of a warranty yet there not happy with the power. Harley has there program set up second to none when it comes to service on the road. There’s over a thousand dealers and a on the road program that’s pretty well the best in the biker world. Why would anyone want to throw that away for a little more power ? Some choose to, but for the most part a lot of guy’s on here want the warranty and reliability with more power as you can see from tkjones2. So I think that would narrow it down a bit.
Second . If any of the other new owners are experiencing dealer issues like me with the upgrades which it seems to be the case, The reason is a lot of the dealers come up with high turnouts and after we find out the gains are much less. Like myself. I was told with the 103 kit I could save my warranty and it would turn out 98 HP and 97 TQ. We all wish. There’s so many combinations and that’s what most of us are asking YOU. The people that have already did this and KNOW rather than taking some dealers word. Sure we can get more power from aftermarket parts. That’s a given. 10:1 is to high a ratio for reliability in my book. Most aren’t looking for a touring drag bike. Just more power to be adequate.
I think the magic number would be 95 to 100 in the HP & TQ range with a warranty. Now that narrows it way down and gives a primary focus to our questions.
1. What’s the best BANG for the buck we can get and still hold to the warranty ?
2. Can 100/100 be achieved with a warranty in tact ?
3. If not , what can be achieved with a warranty ?
4. Harley dealer GRAY area. My dealer told me they could build my bike to 100/100 but there was a gray area. ( Meaning what im going to do with my bike, like am I going to go out and drag race everyone ? And I MIGHT have a problem if I break down on the road with another dealer. So if every dealer will do an upgrade and put the bike in a GRAY area, Why would there be an issue with any dealer ? Cause you didn’t do the upgrade with them ????????)
So I guess what us NEWBE’S are asking is how can we get reliable power and keep the warranty ? What’s the best set up for the most power.
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