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Old May 10, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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I have not seen this question addressed anywhere. Since the dealers have a generic dongle that they use to do general ECM downloads, and they certainly have access to the SERT software, do you need to buy SERT to have the dealer dyno tune your bike? If you do not intend on making any additional changes and you have the bike setup the way you want it, can you just take the bike in and have it dyno tuned?

I hate to have to spend the money for something I will only use once.
 
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Old May 10, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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If you want to TUNE your HD, this means having to adjust the parameters of the ECU (assume your bike is ESPFI). One has to be able to have the means of doing so, which leaves you a lot of options, the Race Tuner being one of them, as is a PCIIIusb, etc., etc. The downloads that HD sells on a package basis, like Stage 1, Stage 2, are not adjustable.....they are programs for that particular package......and are designed to be so.

You can Dyno your bike the way it is, just to see what the output is.
 
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Old May 10, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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If you want to TUNE your HD, this means having to adjust the parameters of the ECU (assume your bike is ESPFI). One has to be able to have the means of doing so, which leaves you a lot of options, the Race Tuner being one of them, as is a PCIIIusb, etc., etc. The downloads that HD sells on a package basis, like Stage 1, Stage 2, are not adjustable.....they are programs for that particular package......and are designed to be so.

You can Dyno your bike the way it is, just to see what the output is.
I do understand the various options available and the difference between SERT and PCIII etc. I'm not really interested in tweaking anything myself. All I want to do is take the bike somewhere, like the dealer, and have it tuned on a dyno. Do I need to buy the SERT for that or can the dealer do the dyno tune without it?
 
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Old May 10, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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You can have any bike Dynoed but you can not adjust anything. Unless you have the tool to do so. With no break out box you just walk away with numbers.
 
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If you want to TUNE your HD, this means having to adjust the parameters of the ECU (assume your bike is ESPFI). One has to be able to have the means of doing so, which leaves you a lot of options, the Race Tuner being one of them, as is a PCIIIusb, etc., etc. The downloads that HD sells on a package basis, like Stage 1, Stage 2, are not adjustable.....they are programs for that particular package......and are designed to be so.

You can Dyno your bike the way it is, just to see what the output is.
I do understand the various options available and the difference between SERT and PCIII etc. I'm not really interested in tweaking anything myself. All I want to do is take the bike somewhere, like the dealer, and have it tuned on a dyno. Do I need to buy the SERT for that or can the dealer do the dyno tune without it?
Yes. You need SOMETHING besides your existing ECU to be able to TUNE your bike......like a SERT, PCIIIusb. Nobody can "tune" it the way it is, i.e. no adjustability beyond the stock, Stage 1, Stage 2, etc. specific downloads.
SERT will run you around 1000.00 with the Dyno. Pre-programmed PCIIIusb from Jamie at Fuelmoto delivered to you is about 300. and is an easy install.
 
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You can have any bike Dynoed but you can not adjust anything. Unless you have the tool to do so. With no break out box you just walk away with numbers.
Thanks FLHT, that is what I was wondering. I thought maybe, since they obviously had the ability, without a SERT, to download a new map into the ECM (like they do for the Stage I etc. ) that they could use that capability to do a dyno tune as well. Clearly the answer is no.
 
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Yes. You need SOMETHING besides your existing ECU to be able to TUNE your bike......like a SERT, PCIIIusb. Nobody can "tune" it the way it is, i.e. no adjustability beyond the stock, Stage 1, Stage 2, etc. specific downloads.
SERT will run you around 1000.00 with the Dyno. Pre-programmed PCIIIusb from Jamie at Fuelmoto delivered to you is about 300. and is an easy install.
I had already looked into the various options, SERT, PCIIIusb, Fuel-Pak, etc. and decided that I wanted to go the SERT route if I had to buy something to get the bike dyno tuned. I don't really like the idea of an "add-on" solution but prefer the idea of actually changing the map that the ECM uses. That seems to me to be more of a "clean" solution. From a price perspective it is really not that much more. PCIIIusb is about $300. SERT (including cables) is about $385 from Zanotti. Either way I would have it dyno tuned so that is a wash. The SERT does come with pre-set maps already on the software CD that cover a large range of situations and their are maps out their that people are willing to share if you look.

Everyone has an opinion on it. Nobody is right or wrong, just different strokes for different folks...
 
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