FP3 vs PV
We sell both products, it really comes down to the features you are looking for and what your specific combination requires. FP3 uses a smartphone or table with an app to use with your own device, while Power Vision includes its own touch screen unit. All tuning processes on the FP3 are done with your device via bluetooth, Power Vision uses the PV device for various functions however it also uses Windows based tuning software. For basic stage 1 (exhaust & air cleaner) combinations both products work really well, where Power Vision really starts to shine is if you go to cams, big bore, etc.. there are more tools for the end user within the PV product, specific maps developed for these combinations, and there are optional peripherals such as Target Tune which allows for full time closed loop tuning using wideband sensors. The other unique feature with Power Vision is that you can use it on multiple bikes with additional tune licenses.
In the end we recommend using the product the person doing the tuning is most comfortable using with the highest level of support you require for your needs, and having a willingness to learn. If anyone has any questions on either product and feel our services could be of assistance you are welcome to contact us and we are here to help before or after the sale.
In the end we recommend using the product the person doing the tuning is most comfortable using with the highest level of support you require for your needs, and having a willingness to learn. If anyone has any questions on either product and feel our services could be of assistance you are welcome to contact us and we are here to help before or after the sale.
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Jamie Long / Fuel Moto USA
The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
Contact 920-423-3309
Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
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...where Power Vision really starts to shine is if you go to cams, big bore, etc.. there are more tools for the end user within the PV product, specific maps developed for these combinations, and there are optional peripherals such as Target Tune which allows for full time closed loop tuning using wideband sensors.
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Vance & Hines claims FP3 can do cam mods, and it's in the app. One other poster in this thread says they have an FP3 tuned stage 3.
Also, Fuelmoto should to change their site content to address this.
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-28222-v...elpak-fp3.html
Also, Fuelmoto should to change their site content to address this.
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-28222-v...elpak-fp3.html
Last edited by End Loser; Feb 15, 2016 at 08:31 PM.
Vance & Hines claims FP3 can do cam mods, and it's in the app. One other poster in this thread says they have an FP3 tuned stage 3.
Also, Fuelmoto should to change their site content to address this.
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-28222-v...elpak-fp3.html
Also, Fuelmoto should to change their site content to address this.
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-28222-v...elpak-fp3.html
If you are doing cams and/or big bore I highly recommend asking the individual doing the tuning which product they prefer for tuning, especially if tuning is going to be done on a dyno
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Tourer
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I thought the whole purpose of getting a FP3 or PV was to be able to dial in the bike yourself, instead I still hear people taking it to an indivivudal who is actually going to do the tuning as suggested by FM. Whats the deal? Is it because someone who dyno tunes the bike will be able to give the bike a more accurate and precise tune? Is this really neccesary when all you have is a Header, slip-ons, and an AC?
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I personally would trust the FP3 to auto tune as good or better up to a stage 3 tune than the average dyno guy. With that being said, if you have a good man on the dyno he can do better with a more advanced tuner. The real question is how do you tell when you have a guy that knows his sh*t on the dyno before you lay down your money. For me that would be 2 or 3 guys giving a good reference, but if you are not part of the in the know crowd that can be hard to come by.
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Yes, that was my reply. I have the FP3, Pro Pipe, Andrews 57H, ported heads with 1.9 intake / stock valves on the exhaust, ported throttle body, .30 Cometic HG.
I altered some of the AFR tables and ran auto tune, no issues. I don't need a Dyno sheet to show numbers, the proof is my *** on the seat. I owned the PV, Power commander 5 and now the FP3, I honestly can't tell a difference.
I altered some of the AFR tables and ran auto tune, no issues. I don't need a Dyno sheet to show numbers, the proof is my *** on the seat. I owned the PV, Power commander 5 and now the FP3, I honestly can't tell a difference.
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It completely depends on the combination you are tuning, the vast majority of users are running basic stage 1 combinations and both products work really well for self tuning, this is the specific reason why Fuel Moto, Dynojet, and V&H offer base maps for many combinations. Where things start to change is when you get into more elaborate builds with cams, big bore kits, crate motors etc.., you have to have the base maps to start with and you have to have the tools within the products to tune them. We see it from both sides as we not only dyno bikes & and develop fuel maps day in, day out we also serve literally thousands of customers around the world with tuning products & maps that are tuning their own bikes. It all comes down to the how close the base map is for your setup, the resources and toolset you have for tuning, as well as your overall understanding and proficiency of EFI tuning, for this reason we offer unlimited tuning support for our customers.
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Well said FuelMoto. Today was the first 60 degree weather here and a real chance to twist the throttle and avoid the cinders at the same time.
I have not completed a full auto tune with this device because of the weather as I did on my PV.
But no issues with the stage lll and FP3, twisted the wick in merging traffic and second gear broke the tire loss, I happy with all three products. 😊
I have not completed a full auto tune with this device because of the weather as I did on my PV.
But no issues with the stage lll and FP3, twisted the wick in merging traffic and second gear broke the tire loss, I happy with all three products. 😊