Gasoline question
Many look at the extra cost per fill up and disregard the difference. I buy gas over a lifetime and a dollar per tank full adds up over time. I am with you, why buy more octane than you need?
I've put 87 in by mistake a few times in my life. Bike seemed none the worse for it.
9.6 comp isnt real high but it's not as low as you think it is either.
Low comp for a street motor would be in the 8.5/8.75/9.0 compression range.
There's more to octane requirement then just comp ratio like for example cyl pressure thats directly affected by cam timing (Duration vs LSA-lobe separation angle) .
Timing curve,fuel calibration ,load on the motor (gearing & wt being carried/moved) ,heat ,combustion chamber -head-piston design & more all have an affect on what the lowest octane requirement is for a motor to not detonate.
With that said stock cam timing from the factory is pretty mild/short which leads to higher cyl pressure which can make 9.6 comp detonate even on hd's rec 91 octane on hot days esp when you get some miles & carbon buildup in the combustion chambers.
Think about this,yrs ago V8 motors with fairly mild cam timing with an approx 0.5 point higher compression @ 10.0 from gm had red tags in the interior of the new cars from the factory stating they had to run a min of 98 octane fuel to avoid detonation.
So unless you install a cam with considerably more cam timing in your hD to reduce cyl pressure/comp a bit i'd not rec running 87 or 89 octane fuel on a reg basis to avoid damage from detonation.
My HD's stock 9.6 comp 96" motor with 25k miles stopped detonating on on HD's rec 91 octane fuel when i installed an oil cooler with twin cooling fans along with wards cooling fans that collectively together reduced oil temp 50 deg f in summer heat.
But before cooling the motor oil 50 deg f it would detonate often in temps above 60-65deg f on hd's rec 91 octane fuel and had to run 93 octane fuel most of the time to avoid detonation.
I also run a dose of techron thru the motor just prior to each oil change to keep combustion chambers clear or excess carbon buildup along with keeping fuel injectors clean at the same time too .
Doing that reduces a motors tendency to detonate by reducing carbon buildup that in some cases increases compression which also creating carbon hot spots both of which can cause detonation.
Note:guys running loud ex/pipes & or loud stereo may not be able to hear detonation when trying lower grade fuel that over enough time and right cond can do a lot of damage breaking/cracking piston skirts & or the complete piston etc leading to complete engine failure.
I have seen that type damage 1st hand when rebuilding motors for guys that trashed them due to detonation when not running enough octane in their street motors that detonated under load cracking/breaking a piston or pistons also poundng rod & main bearings to death too!
But in a pinch if 87 or 89 octane fuel is all thats avail on a trip when fueling up out in the boonies it would be the only time i'd run cheap low grade / low octane 87 or 89 fuel in an HD that cost's $25,000-30,000 new only because i had too!
And i'd sure try to take it easy on the bike/motor if/when doing that too.
GEESH!!!/LOL!
Happy motoring.
Scott
Last edited by wscott; Feb 7, 2017 at 10:51 AM.
Not worth the long term risks of running 87/89 in them. My older 96 EVO calls for 87 runs fine on it.
The only thing that makes any real difference is 10% blend or not. And then it just comes down to the straight gas just gives a little better fuel mileage.
Hard to argue with those results
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