Good tuner
Road Master
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From: Centeral Coast, California
Bypass the Dyno, Buy a V&H FP3 fuel pack and run it on autotune for a while until it learns your riding style and the setup of the bike. 1 time output of $ and it does a great job. I run it and love it and know a lotta brothers who do as well.
No affiliation, just $0.02 for what it's worth...
No affiliation, just $0.02 for what it's worth...
Last edited by gipper; Jan 30, 2018 at 09:57 AM.
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From: pensacola fl
Bypass the Dyno, Buy a V&H FP3 fuel pack and run it on autotune for a while until it learns your riding style and the setup of the bike. 1 time output of $ and it does a great job. I run it and love it and know a lotta brothers who do as well.
No affiliation, just $0.02 for what it's worth...
No affiliation, just $0.02 for what it's worth...
This is what I did, not saying its the best way but its what I did.
I installed a S&S 106 kit, cams, lifters and push rods. Took it to my tuner and he broke it in on the dyno. On the drum they can control everything for a proper break in. Then onto the tuning stage. After it was done he called and I picked it up, done.
Road Master
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From: Centeral Coast, California
That FP3 is not going to do the job for what the OP is doing. Might be fine for a Stage 1 or 2. Spent all that money on a 107 kit and put a FP3 on it? I wouldn't even consider that.
This is what I did, not saying its the best way but its what I did.
I installed a S&S 106 kit, cams, lifters and push rods. Took it to my tuner and he broke it in on the dyno. On the drum they can control everything for a proper break in. Then onto the tuning stage. After it was done he called and I picked it up, done.
This is what I did, not saying its the best way but its what I did.
I installed a S&S 106 kit, cams, lifters and push rods. Took it to my tuner and he broke it in on the dyno. On the drum they can control everything for a proper break in. Then onto the tuning stage. After it was done he called and I picked it up, done.
Road Warrior
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From: Now Western TN
He installed and tuned my 124"
Road Master
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From: Alva Florida
Do yourself a favor, call Chad at Wide Open Cyles. Its a hike from Pax River. But if your doing an upgrade, tune will be critical to everything working together.
The guys at SM City are great folks, not sure about their tunes, may be ok. That's my old stomping grounds, around Pax. River, Lexington Park, Dameron, Leonardtown, St. Georges Island. Great area to ride lots of open roads and not much traffic. Take a trip down to Point Lookout Park.
The guys at SM City are great folks, not sure about their tunes, may be ok. That's my old stomping grounds, around Pax. River, Lexington Park, Dameron, Leonardtown, St. Georges Island. Great area to ride lots of open roads and not much traffic. Take a trip down to Point Lookout Park.
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From: Ashby, Ma
Hey everyone,
Not sure if this is in the right place but I am trying to hit as many members at once to increase the chance of getting feed back. I am looking to install a FM 107 kit in my 2016 limited. Once I get complete with the work I will need to get it tuned. The Navy will be transferring me up to patuxent river MD and I am not familiar with the area. I found a company named SM city motorsports and gave them a call. The person I spoke to seemed very polite and said they were capable of tuning the bike for me. Was just wondering If anyone has done business with them in the past or had a tune done by them? If so how was your experience?
Appreciate any feed back or recommendations. Thanks
Not sure if this is in the right place but I am trying to hit as many members at once to increase the chance of getting feed back. I am looking to install a FM 107 kit in my 2016 limited. Once I get complete with the work I will need to get it tuned. The Navy will be transferring me up to patuxent river MD and I am not familiar with the area. I found a company named SM city motorsports and gave them a call. The person I spoke to seemed very polite and said they were capable of tuning the bike for me. Was just wondering If anyone has done business with them in the past or had a tune done by them? If so how was your experience?
Appreciate any feed back or recommendations. Thanks
Go for the PV as a tuner and then why not go the whole 9 yards and get the Target Tune module so you'll have full time real-time WIDE BAND adaptive tuning. The whole kit will work for you forever and save you the expense of a local tuner.
Of course budget may be an issue and maybe you already have a tuner, so there are numerous solutions, but consider the TT if you go with a PV be running a device that provides dynotune precision daily.
Last edited by oldhippie; Jan 30, 2018 at 11:21 AM.
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From: Now Western TN
He has literally a base starting map for almost every combination of other components, including pipes, air cleaners, heads, throttle bodies that his base map will be 95% right on, that he'll ship with your kit if you use a Powervision.
Go for the PV as a tuner and then why not go the whole 9 yards and get the Target Tune module so you'll have full time real-time WIDE BAND adaptive tuning. The whole kit will work for you forever and save you the expense of a local tuner.
Of course budget may be an issue and maybe you already have a tuner, so there are numerous solutions, but consider the TT if you go with a PV be running a device that provides dynotune precision daily.
Go for the PV as a tuner and then why not go the whole 9 yards and get the Target Tune module so you'll have full time real-time WIDE BAND adaptive tuning. The whole kit will work for you forever and save you the expense of a local tuner.
Of course budget may be an issue and maybe you already have a tuner, so there are numerous solutions, but consider the TT if you go with a PV be running a device that provides dynotune precision daily.
I have to disagree with that last statement, it won't give him dynotune precision!
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From: Ashby, Ma
Things may be different now but when I did my FM107 a few years back the base map I got was not that close. It took probably a dozen auto tune runs to get it close. Even then, the auto tune doesn't make the adjustments necessary to smooth out the curves in certain spots or fix things like decel popping and knock retard, it has limited capability in these areas. He would have to get more knowledgeable on changing the VE tables and timing.
I have to disagree with that last statement, it won't give him dynotune precision!
I have to disagree with that last statement, it won't give him dynotune precision!
Assuming the build has a standard set of components that have had many previous builds of the same components, and continuous map refinement over those multiple builds, unless there is something significantly different with a particular build, the base map is going to be very close.
Target tune, and it's Bosch wide band sensors will continue to dial that base map in continuously through the early break in period and over time and environmental changes.
Unless the argument is that:
1. the WB Bosch are not as accurate as the various Dyno's
2. that each FM 107 kit is significantly different than another with the same components
3. Other tuners can do a better job than FM does tuning performance builds.
If you think the TT is a gimmick or not a quality product you probably haven't got any experience with it. Maybe FuelMoto will correct me, but I still think this is a valid strategy. Just make sure your build has the identical components of one of their very common standard builds. Intake, TB/jets/heads/exhaust/tune. Take it to a dyno shop after doing a couple hundred miles to get a chart for bragging rights and verify the results.
Unless the starting equipment is a different tuner, or some component of the engine is a different component, or some piece of a Dyno tune is significantly more accurate that the TT, what is it?
Last edited by oldhippie; Jan 30, 2018 at 01:54 PM.
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From: Now Western TN
Assuming the build has a standard set of components that have had many previous builds of the same components, and continuous map refinement over those multiple builds, unless there is something significantly different with a particular build, the base map is going to be very close.
Target tune, and it's Bosch wide band sensors will continue to dial that base map in continuously through the early break in period and over time and environmental changes.
Unless the argument is that:
1. the WB Bosch are not as accurate as the various Dyno's
2. that each FM 107 kit is significantly different than another with the same components
3. Other tuners can do a better job than FM does tuning performance builds.
If you think the TT is a gimmick or not a quality product you probably haven't got any experience with it. Maybe FuelMoto will correct me, but I still think this is a valid strategy. Just make sure your build has the identical components of one of their very common standard builds. Intake, TB/jets/heads/exhaust/tune. Take it to a dyno shop after doing a couple hundred miles to get a chart for bragging rights and verify the results.
Unless the starting equipment is a different tuner, or some component of the engine is a different component, or some piece of a Dyno tune is significantly more accurate that the TT, what is it?
Target tune, and it's Bosch wide band sensors will continue to dial that base map in continuously through the early break in period and over time and environmental changes.
Unless the argument is that:
1. the WB Bosch are not as accurate as the various Dyno's
2. that each FM 107 kit is significantly different than another with the same components
3. Other tuners can do a better job than FM does tuning performance builds.
If you think the TT is a gimmick or not a quality product you probably haven't got any experience with it. Maybe FuelMoto will correct me, but I still think this is a valid strategy. Just make sure your build has the identical components of one of their very common standard builds. Intake, TB/jets/heads/exhaust/tune. Take it to a dyno shop after doing a couple hundred miles to get a chart for bragging rights and verify the results.
Unless the starting equipment is a different tuner, or some component of the engine is a different component, or some piece of a Dyno tune is significantly more accurate that the TT, what is it?
I also NEVER said Other tuners can do a better job than FM does tuning performance builds. Show me where I said that?? Man you guys that are diehard FM supporters really get your panties in a wad when someone has a different opinion.
I think FM does a great job and more power to them, but that was not the intent of this thread, it was a tuner with TT or Dyno for a 107 build.
To answer the other question, yes components vary, first 2 would be the exhaust and the AC.