Bad advice to a guy doing a complete top end....

 

That FP3 is not going to do the job for what the OP is doing. Might be fine for a Stage 1 or 2. Spent all that money on a 107 kit and put a FP3 on it? I wouldn't even consider that.

This is what I did, not saying its the best way but its what I did.
I installed a S&S 106 kit, cams, lifters and push rods. Took it to my tuner and he broke it in on the dyno. On the drum they can control everything for a proper break in. Then onto the tuning stage. After it was done he called and I picked it up, done.

 

Could not agree more, eaglefan. After all that time and $$ spent, why cut the last critical corner? But hey...not my build so not intending to get into a pissing contest with anyone here, but I hate to see a guy receive bad advice who's doing an extensive build.

 

Right here is your best answer IMHO since you are down in that area. Chad does great work!
He installed and tuned my 124"

 

Do yourself a favor, call Chad at Wide Open Cyles. Its a hike from Pax River. But if your doing an upgrade, tune will be critical to everything working together.
The guys at SM City are great folks, not sure about their tunes, may be ok. That's my old stomping grounds, around Pax. River, Lexington Park, Dameron, Leonardtown, St. Georges Island. Great area to ride lots of open roads and not much traffic. Take a trip down to Point Lookout Park.

 

Going with a FM 107 kit from Fuel Moto is a super idea. I'm not sure how many kit's Jaime and the FM team have built and tuned but my guess is at least over 300, could be way more. My point is this, Jaime always builds them and tunes them using the Powervision. He has literally a base starting map for almost every combination of other components, including pipes, air cleaners, heads, throttle bodies that his base map will be 95% right on, that he'll ship with your kit if you use a Powervision.

Go for the PV as a tuner and then why not go the whole 9 yards and get the Target Tune module so you'll have full time real-time WIDE BAND adaptive tuning. The whole kit will work for you forever and save you the expense of a local tuner.

Of course budget may be an issue and maybe you already have a tuner, so there are numerous solutions, but consider the TT if you go with a PV be running a device that provides dynotune precision daily.

 

There is no replacement for a proper dyno tune. The TT might get you close, but its still not what a dyno tune will be.
Also, how about break in? Which is also very important.

 

Things may be different now but when I did my FM107 a few years back the base map I got was not that close. It took probably a dozen auto tune runs to get it close. Even then, the auto tune doesn't make the adjustments necessary to smooth out the curves in certain spots or fix things like decel popping and knock retard, it has limited capability in these areas. He would have to get more knowledgeable on changing the VE tables and timing.

I have to disagree with that last statement, it won't give him dynotune precision!

 

This is in response to a few posts, not just this one from Bowhunter:

Assuming the build has a standard set of components that have had many previous builds of the same components, and continuous map refinement over those multiple builds, unless there is something significantly different with a particular build, the base map is going to be very close.

Target tune, and it's Bosch wide band sensors will continue to dial that base map in continuously through the early break in period and over time and environmental changes.

Unless the argument is that:
1. the WB Bosch are not as accurate as the various Dyno's
2. that each FM 107 kit is significantly different than another with the same components
3. Other tuners can do a better job than FM does tuning performance builds.


If you think the TT is a gimmick or not a quality product you probably haven't got any experience with it. Maybe FuelMoto will correct me, but I still think this is a valid strategy. Just make sure your build has the identical components of one of their very common standard builds. Intake, TB/jets/heads/exhaust/tune. Take it to a dyno shop after doing a couple hundred miles to get a chart for bragging rights and verify the results.

Unless the starting equipment is a different tuner, or some component of the engine is a different component, or some piece of a Dyno tune is significantly more accurate that the TT, what is it?

 

I never said the TT was a gimmick. What I said was I had and still have a PV, and on my 107 build the base map I got from FM was not that close. The evidence was the amount of AT runs I had to do. On top of that I was getting some decel pop and a high amount of knock retard at certain RPM's and loads. To fix this I manually had to adjust the timing and VE tables, the TT (was autotune) wouldn't fix these. It would get it close but not all the way. A Dyno tune will get this right typically the first time.

I also NEVER said Other tuners can do a better job than FM does tuning performance builds. Show me where I said that?? Man you guys that are diehard FM supporters really get your panties in a wad when someone has a different opinion.
I think FM does a great job and more power to them, but that was not the intent of this thread, it was a tuner with TT or Dyno for a 107 build.

To answer the other question, yes components vary, first 2 would be the exhaust and the AC.