ceramic coating
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From: pensacola fl
Well, eaglefan1, your knowledge of paint detailing is unquestionable in my mind. You'e proved that time after time. But is it worth the cost over that aforementioned can of wax?
Not to me, regardless of how good it is.
But one area that you may be incorrect on is your assumption that I don't know about 'paint systems'. Been doing auto body and paint since the sixties! But that doesn't' necessarily provide me the knowledge that you have on 'detailing'!
Different disciplines. But personally, I wouldn't pay, what? Nine hundred bucks to protect a paint job. I'd rather make certain that I invested in a high quality paint job in the first place, then use the techniques that you'e perfected and shared with us here. Just makes more sense to me.
But if the OP has that kind of money burning a hole in his pocket, and it has eaglefan1's recommendation, by all means go for it.
But, for me, that would buy an excellent set of shocks or a Rinehart 2 into 1 exhaust...but that's neither here nor there.
Not to me, regardless of how good it is.
But one area that you may be incorrect on is your assumption that I don't know about 'paint systems'. Been doing auto body and paint since the sixties! But that doesn't' necessarily provide me the knowledge that you have on 'detailing'!
Different disciplines. But personally, I wouldn't pay, what? Nine hundred bucks to protect a paint job. I'd rather make certain that I invested in a high quality paint job in the first place, then use the techniques that you'e perfected and shared with us here. Just makes more sense to me.
But if the OP has that kind of money burning a hole in his pocket, and it has eaglefan1's recommendation, by all means go for it.
But, for me, that would buy an excellent set of shocks or a Rinehart 2 into 1 exhaust...but that's neither here nor there.
Also, not all coatings cost that much. A lot of consumer grade coatings that are not "Permanent" like Pro, are a lot cheaper and do just a good of a job, just not as long
The reason I see the value in them is what we have to deal with living in Fl. First is the pollen like I mentioned. A waxed vehicle would be clean for maybe 5 min in the spring and summer. Coated vehicles, nothing sticks to the coating.
2nd reason is love bug season. They will etch paint if they are not removed in hours. When you are in your car/bike and drive thru them they splatter everywhere. A coated car, those bug guts can be hit by a hose and removed. No hard scrubbing or harsh chemicals.
You do have a very valid point that coatings are not for everyone, and I should have mentioned that.
I never have had a customer bring his coated vehicle back to me and say they didn't like it though. But I have had them bring it back swirled up because they didn't follow proper washing techniques
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Sounds like you are one of the guys that apply coatings, eaglefan1... so obviously, you have knowledge of them that i, and others, don' have. And, being from SoCal, we don' have the corrosion problems that you describe in Florida... So I reckon it all depends on the situation and pocketbook, eh?
Like I say...and have said...you do know what you're talkin' about!
Like I say...and have said...you do know what you're talkin' about!
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From: pensacola fl
Sounds like you are one of the guys that apply coatings, eaglefan1... so obviously, you have knowledge of them that i, and others, don' have. And, being from SoCal, we don' have the corrosion problems that you describe in Florida... So I reckon it all depends on the situation and pocketbook, eh?
Like I say...and have said...you do know what you're talkin' about!
Like I say...and have said...you do know what you're talkin' about!
I would love to live where you do weather wise. Perfect year around!
FL, where I am, is like the dam Congo in the summer time. So dam hot it isn't much fun to ride.
Be safe
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You know more than most, by far! Those who live next to the ocean here can feel you regarding salt invasion!
3rd Gear
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From: SOCAL
The folks on the Mustang forum swear by a product called cquartz. I've seen posted photos with it applied to stangs, and it sure looks good, but water beads just as well on mine with Meguires carnuba. Both my car and my bike are garaged. Here in socal, the sun is the worst enemy of car finishes, so I wax my car and bike more often with the Meguires product than I would have to with a ceramic coating like cquartz. I really enjoy doing it though, or I might pay the money for a coating.
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From: pensacola fl
The folks on the Mustang forum swear by a product called cquartz. I've seen posted photos with it applied to stangs, and it sure looks good, but water beads just as well on mine with Meguires carnuba. Both my car and my bike are garaged. Here in socal, the sun is the worst enemy of car finishes, so I wax my car and bike more often with the Meguires product than I would have to with a ceramic coating like cquartz. I really enjoy doing it though, or I might pay the money for a coating.
Pictures don't really tell the story with water beading. Coatings have a very high water contact area so as soon as you start driving water flies off. I mean really flies off. Maybe even more important they sheet water like nothing else. Waxes will bead but not on the same level with coatings.
Meguires makes good products but I just have never got into their stuff. Just not for me. The make very economical products, I have a gallon of their APC, it does the job and is cost effective.
If you really like waxes try a small jar of Fuzion. It will last longer and easier to work with. Looks are subjective but it really brings out deep colors. I have the big jar that I have used twice, and for a wax its nice to work with
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From: pensacola fl
Uber is a very good product. Its very easy to use and looks good. It doesn't last as long as some of the others but for a garage queen, very good choice.
If he wants even more gloss have him try Polish Angel Cosmic topped with High Gloss. It is absolutely stunning! I did my bike last week with it and can not get over the depth, clarity and gloss of this stuff. After applied it looks incredible. Day after its amped up more. 2nd day its craziness!.
I don't ever say something is the best however, this is at the top of LSPs I have used.
If he wants even more gloss have him try Polish Angel Cosmic topped with High Gloss. It is absolutely stunning! I did my bike last week with it and can not get over the depth, clarity and gloss of this stuff. After applied it looks incredible. Day after its amped up more. 2nd day its craziness!.
I don't ever say something is the best however, this is at the top of LSPs I have used.
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Joined: Jul 2014
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From: Maryland
Uber is a very good product. Its very easy to use and looks good. It doesn't last as long as some of the others but for a garage queen, very good choice.
If he wants even more gloss have him try Polish Angel Cosmic topped with High Gloss. It is absolutely stunning! I did my bike last week with it and can not get over the depth, clarity and gloss of this stuff. After applied it looks incredible. Day after its amped up more. 2nd day its craziness!.
I don't ever say something is the best however, this is at the top of LSPs I have used.
If he wants even more gloss have him try Polish Angel Cosmic topped with High Gloss. It is absolutely stunning! I did my bike last week with it and can not get over the depth, clarity and gloss of this stuff. After applied it looks incredible. Day after its amped up more. 2nd day its craziness!.
I don't ever say something is the best however, this is at the top of LSPs I have used.
Intermediate
Joined: Apr 2018
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From: Estonia
I prefer PP much more. The good thing about paint protection products it makes the car easier to wash, and if you get your wheels done too, so much better, brake crap and road grime just hoses off.