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Old Aug 21, 2019 | 05:18 PM
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Hello to all , I need some help deciding on what to do my 2001 roadking it has 133,750 miles on it and it is ready for a complete rebuild from the bottom up. I’ve talked to all the shops around my area as what to do I’m in San Diego Ca
and im getting prices around $7500-$10,000 to rebuild it to a 103” now I can do most of the work myself with exception of the bottom end and I put a parts list together with what I would like to do and it came out to $7100 so I don’t know if I should rebuild it or just buy a s&s124” LC . If anyone can help me out please let me know thanks
 
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Old Aug 21, 2019 | 05:42 PM
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If your not looking for big power you could buy a complete used motor from eBay. If you want moer performance have a look at fuel moto. You could probably buy a complete motor from HD for less than that.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2019 | 05:51 PM
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Harley offered a factory fresh EVO motor exchange don't know about their twinklies, maybe something to look into?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2019 | 05:52 PM
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Dropping a new S&S would give you a quicker turn around to get back running. It will also give you more HP, plus it will be under warranty. If the cost is the same go new.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2019 | 07:26 PM
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HD reman program is cheaper but you are required to have the dealership do the work.

An S&S 124 LC is quicker and will provide years of service
 
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Old Aug 22, 2019 | 07:10 AM
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S&s 124
 
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Old Aug 22, 2019 | 08:45 AM
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I have an S&S 107", but am a closest 124" owner, so I agree with that suggestion. However to install one you should also budget for replacing the primary drive and clutch , or upgrading the stock clutch. You may also need a bigger starter. I have done all of those for my 107" (in an older Evo). I would also include a decent exhaust and dyno tune, which will probably break through your declared budget.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2019 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Wilks
Hello to all , I need some help deciding on what to do my 2001 roadking it has 133,750 miles on it and it is ready for a complete rebuild from the bottom up. I’ve talked to all the shops around my area as what to do I’m in San Diego Ca
and im getting prices around $7500-$10,000 to rebuild it to a 103” now I can do most of the work myself with exception of the bottom end and I put a parts list together with what I would like to do and it came out to $7100 so I don’t know if I should rebuild it or just buy a s&s124” LC . If anyone can help me out please let me know thanks
Here's my two cents on that question.....

I have an appointment with FuelMoto to put one of their 124" Street Outlaw engines (124" S&S base) in my '16 Ultra. I'm doing it out of want, not need. Yes, I have the sickness.... I've done some research/homework and have my build all lined up, good to go.... it is not as cheap as you may think...

You're looking almost $7K shipped for an S&S crate engine. You will need a throttle body $400+, and injectors $150. You WILL need a good exhaust to handle that big air pump! You're looking at $700-$1000 for the exhaust. You'll need the S&S oil line kit, or the Vulcan drill kit, for oil lines ($200).

Your bike (2002) has a reliable compensator, but it was built with a spring pack designed for an 80" shovel/Evo... you will need to upgrade to the latest Compensator (the one with the oil scoop) to handle the 124" engine. You will also need to replace your rotor (the older rotors aren't compatible with the newer comp), OR you could opt for a solid sprocket and eliminate the comp... still, more $$$. Then there's the clutch... at the very least you will need a spring and something like an AIM/ variable pressure clutch... or an entirely new clutch to handle that extra power, $$$

Finally, you need a good break-in and the tune is critical...!! So a dyno-tune, by a good, knowledgeable tuner is a must (if you can find one in San Diego)... $$$

So in the end, you're gonna be in the $10K+ territory to do an S&S 124" crate motor, do it right, and have it be reliable in your bike....... that's with you doing a lot of the work....!

If I was going to do it for one of my older twin cams, I would look into the MoCo's rebuilt engine program for stock power.... You're looking at $4k to $4.5K for the new long block, but you'll get the newer crank & bearings... of course, a dealer ahs to do the work, but you get a numbers matching engine....

If I wanted more power... I'd rebuild it myself, your 2001 has the good twin cam crank & bearings... but ..... if you want anything much bigger than a 98 big bore kit on an 88ci engine, that will get spendy. The peripherals you will need to upgrade will start adding $$$$.

Let your budget be your guide..... but make sure you look into all the changes/additions you will need, to go with the rebuild you choose....

FWIW.... I put an Screamin' Eagle 95" Big bore kit on my 2003 Heritage about six months after I bought it, back in 2003. It's only got 30K miles on it, but the stock drive train (compensator, clutch with SE clutch spring) have handled that power increase without a hiccup....!

Good luck with your decision... do your homework... you said you need to rebuild it, so enjoy the experience...!
 

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Old Aug 23, 2019 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hattitude
Here's my two cents on that question.....

I have an appointment with FuelMoto to put one of their 124" Street Outlaw engines (124" S&S base) in my '16 Ultra. I'm doing it out of want, not need. Yes, I have the sickness.... I've done some research/homework and have my build all lined up, good to go.... it is not as cheap as you may think...

You're looking almost $7K shipped for an S&S crate engine. You will need a throttle body $400+, and injectors $150. You WILL need a good exhaust to handle that big air pump! You're looking at $700-$1000 for the exhaust. You'll need the S&S oil line kit, or the Vulcan drill kit, for oil lines ($200).

Your bike (2002) has a reliable compensator, but it was built with a spring pack designed for an 80" shovel/Evo... you will need to upgrade to the latest Compensator (the one with the oil scoop) to handle the 124" engine. You will also need to replace your rotor (the older rotors aren't compatible with the newer comp), OR you could opt for a solid sprocket and eliminate the comp... still, more $$$. Then there's the clutch... at the very least you will need a spring and something like an AIM/ variable pressure clutch... or an entirely new clutch to handle that extra power, $$$

Finally, you need a good break-in and the tune is critical...!! So a dyno-tune, by a good, knowledgeable tuner is a must (if you can find one in San Diego)... $$$

So in the end, you're gonna be in the $10K+ territory to do an S&S 124" crate motor, do it right, and have it be reliable in your bike....... that's with you doing a lot of the work....!

If I was going to do it for one of my older twin cams, I would look into the MoCo's rebuilt engine program for stock power.... You're looking at $4k to $4.5K for the new long block, but you'll get the newer crank & bearings... of course, a dealer ahs to do the work, but you get a numbers matching engine....

If I wanted more power... I'd rebuild it myself, your 2001 has the good twin cam crank & bearings... but ..... if you want anything much bigger than a 98 big bore kit on an 88ci engine, that will get spendy. The peripherals you will need to upgrade will start adding $$$$.

Let your budget be your guide..... but make sure you look into all the changes/additions you will need, to go with the rebuild you choose....

FWIW.... I put an Screamin' Eagle 95" Big bore kit on my 2003 Heritage about six months after I bought it, back in 2003. It's only got 30K miles on it, but the stock drive train (compensator, clutch with SE clutch spring) have handled that power increase without a hiccup....!

Good luck with your decision... do your homework... you said you need to rebuild it, so enjoy the experience...!

Thanks for your advise, I called Harley and got a good quote for a stock 95” with 2 year warranty
 
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Old Aug 23, 2019 | 08:36 AM
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Another idea, take a look around for a decent running take out motor, if the price is right, buy it, then take your time to rebuild your motor, class 2 or better, and when done, resell take out motor, that keeps you on the road while rebuilding.
 
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