Conversion cams for TC 88
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Right now I have a stage 1 upgrade, Rinehart slip on mufflers and high flow intake. I had the ECM mapped at HD, but also run a VH FuelPak. I do not want to have additional ECM mapping or have to purchase another controller to accommodate new cams.This bike is for putting around town, short rides. I would like piece of mind with the fix I choose. If the hydraulic tensioners with the stock rear cam chain have a better life as compared to spring tensioners, then I see that as a good direction.
Why not see if the cams out of a 2014 or newer hi output 103, will work with your new Fueling setup. Just saying.
There may be a few people that want to sell their old 103 hi output cams here on this forum, I was happy with the
cams in my 2014 Street Glide. See if they will work for you.
John - JMOP
There may be a few people that want to sell their old 103 hi output cams here on this forum, I was happy with the
cams in my 2014 Street Glide. See if they will work for you.
John - JMOP
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Right now I have a stage 1 upgrade, Rinehart slip on mufflers and high flow intake. I had the ECM mapped at HD, but also run a VH FuelPak. I do not want to have additional ECM mapping or have to purchase another controller to accommodate new cams.This bike is for putting around town, short rides. I would like piece of mind with the fix I choose. If the hydraulic tensioners with the stock rear cam chain have a better life as compared to spring tensioners, then I see that as a good direction.
If you don't want to retune, and just putt around town, not putting high mileage on your bike.... just replace the spring tensioner shoes with Cyco shoes. They should last longer than original OEM pads... maybe check them at 25-30K miles...
How long will it take you to put on 25-30K miles....?
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Cruiser
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At my current pace the shoes will outlast me. Right now I have two bikes and each bike only gets 1000 miles per year. I do see my job hours decreasing and hope to have more riding time, so in the next two years I plan to ride more, but even then no more than 3000 miles per year per bike.
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Many have used the SE Hydraulic tensioner conversion that retains the rear cam link chain, with little to no issues. Many believe the link chain contributes to the fast spring tensioner pad deterioration, but it is the spring pressure and pad composition that are probably the biggest contributors. Many also believe that it was just a small lot of link chains that had rough edges, contributing to the issue. These same people will say that with like 20K miles on the link chain, it may become "polished" to a point where it will no longer affect the tensioner pads... I don't know if I buy that, but the fact remains, I've never seen a post where someone said they switched to the SE Hydraulic tensioner "upgrade", which keeps the rear link chain, and then had a catastrophic cam tensioner failure...
Additionally, there is a tool out there (I can't find the link right now, but know it exists) that will allow you bore out your cases to enlarge the inner cam bearing holes and allow them to fit the bigger '07+ inner cam bearings. Then you can do the entire conversion using any '07+ cam (OEM or aftermarket), the '07+ cam plate/sprockets/chains/tensioners & oil pump... But that won't allow for you to use your OEM pre-'07 cam..
In my case, I just went with a set of Andrews conversion cams with the '07+ cam plate/parts. I'm still in the process of dialing in the tune ...
Additionally, there is a tool out there (I can't find the link right now, but know it exists) that will allow you bore out your cases to enlarge the inner cam bearing holes and allow them to fit the bigger '07+ inner cam bearings. Then you can do the entire conversion using any '07+ cam (OEM or aftermarket), the '07+ cam plate/sprockets/chains/tensioners & oil pump... But that won't allow for you to use your OEM pre-'07 cam..
In my case, I just went with a set of Andrews conversion cams with the '07+ cam plate/parts. I'm still in the process of dialing in the tune ...
I recall there are bushings available that will press onto the pre 07 can journals to allow them to be run with the larger 07 up needle bearings. I assume that would be if you wanted to run a pre 07 cam after having the cases modified for the bigger 07 up case bearings. A switch back to the original plate or one that uses the plate bearings would also be required as the 07 up don't use a bearing in the plate.
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Boring a pre 2007 case for the larger 07 up cam bearings is done routinely with the engine cases disassembled and in a machine shop. Not a hard process for an experienced builder with the equipment. I have not seen a specific tool that is sold for this process.
I recall there are bushings available that will press onto the pre 07 can journals to allow them to be run with the larger 07 up needle bearings. I assume that would be if you wanted to run a pre 07 cam after having the cases modified for the bigger 07 up case bearings. A switch back to the original plate or one that uses the plate bearings would also be required as the 07 up don't use a bearing in the plate.
I recall there are bushings available that will press onto the pre 07 can journals to allow them to be run with the larger 07 up needle bearings. I assume that would be if you wanted to run a pre 07 cam after having the cases modified for the bigger 07 up case bearings. A switch back to the original plate or one that uses the plate bearings would also be required as the 07 up don't use a bearing in the plate.
I also remember, about the same time, finding a machine shop that would press bushings on old, pre-'07 cams, on either end... to allow it to fit the larger case bearings and/or to allow them to fit the newer cam plate... I thought about this choice at that time, but since the cams will still have the link chain sprocket, it's no better than the SE cam plate upgrade...
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Tensioner upgrade on an 03 dyna wide glide
Many have used the SE Hydraulic tensioner conversion that retains the rear cam link chain, with little to no issues. Many believe the link chain contributes to the fast spring tensioner pad deterioration, but it is the spring pressure and pad composition that are probably the biggest contributors. Many also believe that it was just a small lot of link chains that had rough edges, contributing to the issue. These same people will say that with like 20K miles on the link chain, it may become "polished" to a point where it will no longer affect the tensioner pads... I don't know if I buy that, but the fact remains, I've never seen a post where someone said they switched to the SE Hydraulic tensioner "upgrade", which keeps the rear link chain, and then had a catastrophic cam tensioner failure...
Additionally, there is a tool out there (I can't find the link right now, but know it exists) that will allow you bore out your cases to enlarge the inner cam bearing holes and allow them to fit the bigger '07+ inner cam bearings. Then you can do the entire conversion using any '07+ cam (OEM or aftermarket), the '07+ cam plate/sprockets/chains/tensioners & oil pump... But that won't allow for you to use your OEM pre-'07 cam..
In my case, I just went with a set of Andrews conversion cams with the '07+ cam plate/parts. I'm still in the process of dialing in the tune ...
Additionally, there is a tool out there (I can't find the link right now, but know it exists) that will allow you bore out your cases to enlarge the inner cam bearing holes and allow them to fit the bigger '07+ inner cam bearings. Then you can do the entire conversion using any '07+ cam (OEM or aftermarket), the '07+ cam plate/sprockets/chains/tensioners & oil pump... But that won't allow for you to use your OEM pre-'07 cam..
In my case, I just went with a set of Andrews conversion cams with the '07+ cam plate/parts. I'm still in the process of dialing in the tune ...
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