Yessir, you sure can. I work on a number of different bikes though, so I went with the full meal deal.

 

I originally went this route for my bike too and it seems like it was $700 (give or take a bit) for the hardware and one license, then added my brother's bike to it (a second bike ) for I think it was $70'ish, and now both our bikes are "licensed" with it... He uses it now, and I then went with Diag4Bike, which was $1200'ish and it does not VIN lock (marry) to a bike. The "Pay Per-Bike" version is great if you want it and you're just going to be working on one or just a few bikes (possibly up to 3 or 4)...

 

Forgive me if I have already asked you... I am on the fence and ask whenever I see a response like this....

Which do you think is easier to use... The TechnoResearch or the Diag4Bike....??

 

IMO, both of their "user manuals" or "help" stuff, which is online, suck. Mostly you can figure it out, but there's not really a good step by step, "this is what this does" walk thru. If you have to call somebody, Techno Research is probably better, because they have people here. I have called them a couple times, left a message and an hour or so later they call back (talked to Carlos both times) and was able to find out what I needed. Diag4Bike, for me is a little more straight forward... but only slightly... very slightly. It is also out of the Czech Republic, and state side they have only two "Dealers" (Griffin Tool & Supply and Western Power Sport/HardDrive American V-Twin Products). But if you need technical help, those dealers may be able to get you the info, but they are going to be calling somebody over in Eastern Europe, because they do not have practical knowledge of the use of the software.... I got mine thru one of my local Harley Dealers who is also a dealer for HardDrive (HardDrive won't sell direct to you), and my local dealer gave me 15% off. But I did contact Hard Drive directly before I bought it with questions, and then after I got the unit because I was missing a cable, and to be honest it looked like it had been opened... they had me send everything back and they re-shipped everything to be sure everything was as it was supposed to be. They were very responsive and took care of things... but if I had had technical questions about the operation of the software, not so much, they be calling overseas lol

Using the software, is not tough, but with TechnoResearch there are things done that aren't explained (they make sense though), and its automatic, whereas Diag4Bike thats another box to check or step to do. For instance, I run my bike so that my GTS will have CarPlay available regardless if I have a headset (mic) connected, because there is a setting that makes this possible. In Diag4Bike its "CarPlay Mic Type" and the options are "Wired" or "Wireless" or "Disabled", now nothing explains this anywhere, but "Disabled" actually just disables the need for a mic, but if you connect a headset (mic) it still works as it should and CarPlay is available with or without a headset. Now on TechnoResearch's I did not think it could access this setting, but I was asking Carlos about it back in January and he said "yeah, ours does it too. When under "Bluetooth" you enable both "Phone" and "WHIM" then it does the same thing"... I have never seen anything in their literature or their help files that indicated that.... I told him they should add that to the "feature highlights". I also ran into something similar with TPMS, I think, were TechnoResearch does it, but there's not a box you have to check (may have been to get it on the radio, there's not a box that you have to check, it just does it when you check IC for instrument cluster or something, it has been awhile though and I cant remember for sure what it was... but it does it lol)

Hardware wise, both are very similar, and both should ship with all the cables needed for older bikes, Rushmore bikes, and the newer connection for the newer bikes.

Licensing cost is very similar, initially it cost what it cost (depends on what/which you want) and then you get the software updates for the year you by it in free, meaning if you bought it now, you get Ver23.xx.xx updates... once they go to Ver24.xx.xx then that will cost you a couple hundred bucks to get the newer year's updates. BUT, if you don't need/want the newer updated software, what you have already continues to fully work as it currently does. You only have to do the updates if some new feature comes out in an update you want to utilize, or you want to work on newer models of bikes that become available in the future. Both also have a penalty of sorts on not doing software updates, if you say you want to wait three years to update your software, then its cost more to bring it up to date, it's not just one update, if that makes sense. Adding a bike on the TechnoResearch's Per-bike setup was easy, and not an issue at all.

Both will do "Tuning", but that's extra and requires another license to use that part of the software, I "think" TechnoResearch's may have some limited access to that, but I am not sure on that... I have not used it on either software at all.

Here's Diag4Bikes Online Manual, basically everything is under "Toolbox" that I use/tinker with... you can get in there and look around
https://doc4bike.actia.cz/en/diagnostics/

Here's TechnoResearch's Its a little tougher though, its section #7 thru #9
https://manual.technoresearch.info/m...-introduction/

 

on the tr website, licenses are 'on sale' for $34 each. i could see paying the license fee for up to 1/2 dozen or so, that would bring the cost of the tool to $849. it would take 15 licenses for the tr tool and the diag4bike to be equal in price. but, this is not a debate as to which one is better, or more economical, etc. it's good to have options.

using that link that ssitruc posted above, will take you to the online help for tr. there is one section in there called 'common jobs' and there are specific step by step instructions on doing it. but, most of them are 'higher level' jobs, imo. things like replacing bcm, tssm, or ecu.

thanks ssitruc on the little tidbit about the whim setting. i didn't know that before, and i was able to 'reflash' my wife's bike with that. we had previously had the digital tech 'hack' done way back when, but then after getting the whim installed, her bike started requiring the wireless mic to be on in order for carplay to initialize. i've done the flash, and now her carplay will come up like mine, with or without a mic installed. funny part though, i didn't do anything under the 'bluetooth' section but it works. maybe that's defaulted from when the digital tech flash was done?

 

I think TR is a good option, and unless you are running a shop or a lot of buddies, the per-bike set up is a good deal. Besides a price advantage for TR, having support in the same relative time zone is also nice, and the people you will talk to seems to know how their product works, versus a sales person for a product. Probably why its the more popular software for Indy's.

On your CarPlay thing, I "think" what it is, is Digital Tech when you had WHIM installed switched a setting to "wireless" for the "Apple CarPlay Mic Type". I believe HD's DigitalTech software has to have "Wired" or "Wireless", one or the other. They couldn't access the third option any longer, of disabling the mic requirement, that inability started in the spring/early summer of 2020 because of a software update to Digital Tech. I have had my settings screwed up by Digital Tech when my local dealer was doing work on it, even figured it would happed and was ready to "correct" it when I got home. Now you hooked TR up and it sees WHIM enabled, and probably the phone too, and somehow it does that thing it does behind the scenes also, maybe, when you applied something else???? Only thing I can think of, would require you "applying" some change, not just being in there looking around and exiting without applying anything, and when it applied that it also did this other mic thing at the same time because WHIM/Phone was enabled (???)... but that is just a guess. Glad you got that function back, however it happened!

 

Ssitruc and Scratch thank you both.... very informative...

I've been on the fence between which one to get... I was a little leery of the Diag4Bikes mostly because it is offshore and thought help and/or customer service may be a little lacking because of that... It seems there is a double layer of complexity in that area...

I'm a Mac computer guy, but have a cheaper PC laptop for my PowerVision and Daytona Twin Tec tools... I was a little disappointed in the Twin Tec as a couple BCM jobs it shows in the instructions were not available yet back when I called them several years ago. Plus it just doesn't do as much as the TR or 4bikes.

My "shop" PC was a 2010 laptop with windows 7... I just updated that PC and downloaded all new PowerVision and Twin Tec software.... thinking it may be time to "bust a move" on a better diagnostic tool....

I appreciate the good input...!

 

I am leaning towards datoyna twin tec. somewhat on price. I don't see myself doing alot. Maybe help someone with brakes. Maybe replace a failed radio, maybe replace a lost fob. Enginer monitor is interesting, but I never used it with my SERT.

Something that would work with my phone to display stuff while riding, would be a little interesting. But not if I would have to go to tuner for that.

Oddly enough I have not committed to stage one. My other engines are stage 1 or built. But I am happy and I can hear the radio. Plus the cost. I got other big plans for this year.

 

I can say that the Twin Tec does easily activate the ABS during a brake flush and will easily change a FOB or settings on the security... I have done both with no issues... I just want the option to do more...

 

What are the big other things you want to do? Maybe I don't know what I don't have. And would once I had it.