Looking at doing a cam with oil pump
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Looking at doing a cam with oil pump
I'm getting the updated 2020 oil pump put in my 2018 street glide special. I had a quote done by HD and he suggested a cam as well while it's opened. I was already considering this anyway. Them being HD suggested their torque cam but in the quote I didn't see anything about upgraded pushrods or lifters.
Are these actually required or I guess it depends on wear. I know there are better cams than the HD torque cam and I was looking at the woods 22XE and the S&S 465C just from my reading. I'm in Cabada so prices are higher but HD priced their torque can at $629.00CDN. I haven't really looked around alot yet but the S&S seems to be the cheaper one out of what I looked at. Main question is shoukd the lifters and rods be done as well as the cam?
Are these actually required or I guess it depends on wear. I know there are better cams than the HD torque cam and I was looking at the woods 22XE and the S&S 465C just from my reading. I'm in Cabada so prices are higher but HD priced their torque can at $629.00CDN. I haven't really looked around alot yet but the S&S seems to be the cheaper one out of what I looked at. Main question is shoukd the lifters and rods be done as well as the cam?
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1. Cam upgrade =
2. Lifters as you do not replace the cam without new lifters as they wear in together =
3. Quick adjustable push rods, cut the old ones out so you do not have to pull the heads =
4. New air filtration & exhaust so the new cam can breath correctly if you do not already have Stage I =
4. You will need a tuner or a tune on a Dyno to make it run correctly =
5. More dollars out of your pocket.
6. Going down the rabbit hole is fun but costly.
NOTE:
The above information, while credible, is worth what you paid for it and should not be considered gospel.
Do due diligence, research and have a H-D Field Service Manual before working on your bike.
You will probably have many opinions and suggestions presented; make sure you research the person providing the helpful information as there are some who provide good information and some who speak out of other orifices with gibberish. You will figure out this quickly.
Good Luck!
2. Lifters as you do not replace the cam without new lifters as they wear in together =
3. Quick adjustable push rods, cut the old ones out so you do not have to pull the heads =
4. New air filtration & exhaust so the new cam can breath correctly if you do not already have Stage I =
4. You will need a tuner or a tune on a Dyno to make it run correctly =
5. More dollars out of your pocket.
6. Going down the rabbit hole is fun but costly.
NOTE:
The above information, while credible, is worth what you paid for it and should not be considered gospel.
Do due diligence, research and have a H-D Field Service Manual before working on your bike.
You will probably have many opinions and suggestions presented; make sure you research the person providing the helpful information as there are some who provide good information and some who speak out of other orifices with gibberish. You will figure out this quickly.
Good Luck!
Last edited by CoolBreeze3646; Jan 25, 2024 at 06:20 PM.
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If you are doing a cam, you will need adjustable push rods, better lifters, a new cam bearing, and it would be a good idea to add a cam chain tensioner. Lots of guys add a new cam plate. I would also check out Fuel Moto as they have lots of good info, cam dyno charts, and good tech support. You should check out all the cams: Star Racing, Zippers, Feuling, etc.
You will also need a tuner with proper map as well as air cleaner and exhaust to get the most out of the cam.
You will also need a tuner with proper map as well as air cleaner and exhaust to get the most out of the cam.
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I already have the exhaust and HD heavy breather and a Vance hines fuelpak tuner. I will look into all the above. Also going to try and find a local shop other than HD do the work. Cams seems to be hard to find in Canada where I live. I look at fuel moto but after the exchange rate, shipping and duty the prices get high pretty quick.
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The lifters should be replaced, ideally with a US made brand like WFO Larry (2313SE lifter), S&S or Wood Directional. The HD dealer will likely want to use all HD parts, but I'd want another brand of lifter, WFO Larry being my first choice. There are others, but the three Iisted are likely the most frequently used.
Using the quick install pushrods allow the installation without removing the rocker boxes, which should save on labor. They aren't required, but most people use them so they don't have to remove the fuel tank and rocker boxes etc.
The HD torque cam is ok, but there are other cams that provide more torque and HP, but be careful to maintain low RPM torque to the bike will remain rideable. Common aftermarket cams and vendors that supply them you will see listed here are Steve Cole (TTS cams), FuelMoto (many brands S&S, Wood, Andrews, CycleRama etc). You will also need a tuner to flash the ECM after the cam and other changes are made, and the tuner you select may also limit or steer you to certain cams. It is likely the HD dealer will only want to use HD parts and tuners, although I'm not sure what the US equlivent to the EPA is or if you have one.
You will also need to replace the cam bearing, and I recommend replacing the cam chain sprocket on the pinion shaft because they are typically lose and can cause cam timing to be off some. You didn't mention anything further, but you should replace the air cleaner assembly with something free flowing. The HD Screamin Eagle version works well. And most people either replace the exhaust system, or at least slip on mufflers.
Paul
Using the quick install pushrods allow the installation without removing the rocker boxes, which should save on labor. They aren't required, but most people use them so they don't have to remove the fuel tank and rocker boxes etc.
The HD torque cam is ok, but there are other cams that provide more torque and HP, but be careful to maintain low RPM torque to the bike will remain rideable. Common aftermarket cams and vendors that supply them you will see listed here are Steve Cole (TTS cams), FuelMoto (many brands S&S, Wood, Andrews, CycleRama etc). You will also need a tuner to flash the ECM after the cam and other changes are made, and the tuner you select may also limit or steer you to certain cams. It is likely the HD dealer will only want to use HD parts and tuners, although I'm not sure what the US equlivent to the EPA is or if you have one.
You will also need to replace the cam bearing, and I recommend replacing the cam chain sprocket on the pinion shaft because they are typically lose and can cause cam timing to be off some. You didn't mention anything further, but you should replace the air cleaner assembly with something free flowing. The HD Screamin Eagle version works well. And most people either replace the exhaust system, or at least slip on mufflers.
Paul
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I'll try and source all these parts locally but if it gets out of hand I'll just do the pump since I already have it. I just bought this bike and haven't riden it yet so any upgrades I won't even feel since it is new to me.
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Everybody will tell you that there are better choices than the HD torque cam, and there are, but there ain't nothing wrong with that torque cam.
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I already have the exhaust and HD heavy breather and a Vance hines fuelpak tuner. I will look into all the above. Also going to try and find a local shop other than HD do the work. Cams seems to be hard to find in Canada where I live. I look at fuel moto but after the exchange rate, shipping and duty the prices get high pretty quick.
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1. Cam upgrade =
2. Lifters as you do not replace the cam without new lifters as they wear in together =
3. Quick adjustable push rods, cut the old ones out so you do not have to pull the heads =
4. New air filtration & exhaust so the new cam can breath correctly if you do not already have Stage I =
4. You will need a tuner or a tune on a Dyno to make it run correctly =
5. More dollars out of your pocket.
6. Going down the rabbit hole is fun but costly.
NOTE:
The above information, while credible, is worth what you paid for it and should not be considered gospel.
Do due diligence, research and have a H-D Field Service Manual before working on your bike.
You will probably have many opinions and suggestions presented; make sure you research the person providing the helpful information as there are some who provide good information and some who speak out of other orifices with gibberish. You will figure out this quickly.
Good Luck!
2. Lifters as you do not replace the cam without new lifters as they wear in together =
3. Quick adjustable push rods, cut the old ones out so you do not have to pull the heads =
4. New air filtration & exhaust so the new cam can breath correctly if you do not already have Stage I =
4. You will need a tuner or a tune on a Dyno to make it run correctly =
5. More dollars out of your pocket.
6. Going down the rabbit hole is fun but costly.
NOTE:
The above information, while credible, is worth what you paid for it and should not be considered gospel.
Do due diligence, research and have a H-D Field Service Manual before working on your bike.
You will probably have many opinions and suggestions presented; make sure you research the person providing the helpful information as there are some who provide good information and some who speak out of other orifices with gibberish. You will figure out this quickly.
Good Luck!
Flat tappets shouldn't be reused with a new cam or have their positions switched, but its ok with rollers. I still wouldn't reuse them unless they were low mileage and had no visible wear.
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1. Cam upgrade =
2. Lifters as you do not replace the cam without new lifters as they wear in together =
3. Quick adjustable push rods, cut the old ones out so you do not have to pull the heads =
4. New air filtration & exhaust so the new cam can breath correctly if you do not already have Stage I =
4. You will need a tuner or a tune on a Dyno to make it run correctly =
5. More dollars out of your pocket.
6. Going down the rabbit hole is fun but costly.
NOTE:
The above information, while credible, is worth what you paid for it and should not be considered gospel.
Do due diligence, research and have a H-D Field Service Manual before working on your bike.
You will probably have many opinions and suggestions presented; make sure you research the person providing the helpful information as there are some who provide good information and some who speak out of other orifices with gibberish. You will figure out this quickly.
Good Luck!
2. Lifters as you do not replace the cam without new lifters as they wear in together =
3. Quick adjustable push rods, cut the old ones out so you do not have to pull the heads =
4. New air filtration & exhaust so the new cam can breath correctly if you do not already have Stage I =
4. You will need a tuner or a tune on a Dyno to make it run correctly =
5. More dollars out of your pocket.
6. Going down the rabbit hole is fun but costly.
NOTE:
The above information, while credible, is worth what you paid for it and should not be considered gospel.
Do due diligence, research and have a H-D Field Service Manual before working on your bike.
You will probably have many opinions and suggestions presented; make sure you research the person providing the helpful information as there are some who provide good information and some who speak out of other orifices with gibberish. You will figure out this quickly.
Good Luck!