Does the salesman know more
Tourer
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: West Palm Beach
RE: Does the salesman know more
One of the nice things about the forum is being able to educate yourself about the product prior to visiting the dealer for your purchase. After a couple months of reading what people wrote here about the 07's, I found at one dealer, I knew 10 times more than the guy trying to sell me a bike. I ended up buying from another dealer who not only had the bike I really wanted, but was able to explain to me exactly what you fine folks have been telling me. Salespeople should know what they are talking about. If not, they are in the wrong business and shouldn't expect repeat business. Granted with new products, some sales folks don't fully understand new upgrades, but then again, isn't it their responsibility to educate us dumb consumers? Especially since the product has been on the market for a couple months now? I'm a little surprised that this guy knew so much about the engines, but struck out on the handle bar question. He should have researched the correct answer for you if he wasn't 100% sure. Maybe you should turn him on to this site for further product research...........
Road Warrior
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From: Northern Illinois
RE: Does the salesman know more
ORIGINAL: spizzyman
than the wrenches on the board?
I was at the stealer today and asked some questions regarding 07s and 08s, Ultras in particular. Here are some answers I received. Please let me know if you agree with them.
1. The 96 is the same size as the 88, just a longer stroke, therefore it would not be any hotter.
2.The same kit that turns an 88 into a 95 will turn a 96 into a 103.
3.A 96 has about 2 more HP than an 88. The only real difference is torque.
4.He does not know anything about a download from HD that will turn off the rear jug in traffic to reduce heat. Should he?
5. You can put any handle bars on the new bikes, no problem because the new throttle system is completely wireless and it would not matter at all.
6. said that it has been shown the IDS makes an Ultra run smoother than a Wing (Not sure how that came up. I didn't ask).
He is a seventeen year employee at this dealer and seemed to have never heard any of the questions I asked him regarding issues that I read about on this board. Didn't seem to think fuel managers or other things folks around here do to make the bike run cooler were necessary. He seemed to think folks don't know how to operate the vents on the lowers properly.
He is a nice guy and seems to sell a lot of bikes. Invited me to the Demo Day next month for test rides and is low pressure. I am just not sure if he knows less than the things I am learning here, is playing dumb or is on top of his game.
Input please.
spiz
than the wrenches on the board?
I was at the stealer today and asked some questions regarding 07s and 08s, Ultras in particular. Here are some answers I received. Please let me know if you agree with them.
1. The 96 is the same size as the 88, just a longer stroke, therefore it would not be any hotter.
2.The same kit that turns an 88 into a 95 will turn a 96 into a 103.
3.A 96 has about 2 more HP than an 88. The only real difference is torque.
4.He does not know anything about a download from HD that will turn off the rear jug in traffic to reduce heat. Should he?
5. You can put any handle bars on the new bikes, no problem because the new throttle system is completely wireless and it would not matter at all.
6. said that it has been shown the IDS makes an Ultra run smoother than a Wing (Not sure how that came up. I didn't ask).
He is a seventeen year employee at this dealer and seemed to have never heard any of the questions I asked him regarding issues that I read about on this board. Didn't seem to think fuel managers or other things folks around here do to make the bike run cooler were necessary. He seemed to think folks don't know how to operate the vents on the lowers properly.
He is a nice guy and seems to sell a lot of bikes. Invited me to the Demo Day next month for test rides and is low pressure. I am just not sure if he knows less than the things I am learning here, is playing dumb or is on top of his game.
Input please.
spiz
2. same kit, not really, different part number kit for 96 engine vs. 88.
3. true, he got one correct.
4. yes he should know about the remap, especially if the dealership is in a hot climate.
5. not sure about this one.
6. smoother than the sewing machine Wing? Don't think so, and that is supposed to be a selling point? yuk.
Road Master
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RE: Does the salesman know more
There is something on the new bikes that will shut off the rear cylinder when the engine gets too hot,like from sitting in a lot of traffic. Moco's answer to running a bike very lean to comply with epa.
Extreme HDF Member
Joined: Sep 2005
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
RE: Does the salesman know more
ORIGINAL: spizzyman
1. The 96 is the same size as the 88, just a longer stroke, therefore it would not be any hotter.
1. The 96 is the same size as the 88, just a longer stroke, therefore it would not be any hotter.
2.The same kit that turns an 88 into a 95 will turn a 96 into a 103.
3.A 96 has about 2 more HP than an 88. The only real difference is torque.
4.He does not know anything about a download from HD that will turn off the rear jug in traffic to reduce heat. Should he?
5. You can put any handle bars on the new bikes, no problem because the new throttle system is completely wireless and it would not matter at all.
6. said that it has been shown the IDS makes an Ultra run smoother than a Wing (Not sure how that came up. I didn't ask).
He is a seventeen year employee at this dealer and seemed to have never heard any of the questions I asked him regarding issues that I read about on this board. Didn't seem to think fuel managers or other things folks around here do to make the bike run cooler were necessary. He seemed to think folks don't know how to operate the vents on the lowers properly.
He is a nice guy and seems to sell a lot of bikes. Invited me to the Demo Day next month for test rides and is low pressure. I am just not sure if he knows less than the things I am learning here, is playing dumb or is on top of his game.
Road Master
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Chester County, PA
RE: Does the salesman know more
The "fly by wire" throttles still have a cable for the return. I believe they have to; That's a law/rule for safety and DOT certification (as I understand it).
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
RE: Does the salesman know more
ORIGINAL: chornbe
The "fly by wire" throttles still have a cable for the return. I believe they have to; That's a law/rule for safety and DOT certification (as I understand it).
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
The "fly by wire" throttles still have a cable for the return. I believe they have to; That's a law/rule for safety and DOT certification (as I understand it).
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
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Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Charleston, SC
RE: Does the salesman know more
Return cable? I don't think so....
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ORIGINAL: iclick
Thanks for that info, as I didn't know that. Where is the return cable, as its presence wasn't apparent on the '08's I've looked at. It must be more internal, unlike the cables on the earlier bikes.
ORIGINAL: chornbe
The "fly by wire" throttles still have a cable for the return. I believe they have to; That's a law/rule for safety and DOT certification (as I understand it).
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
The "fly by wire" throttles still have a cable for the return. I believe they have to; That's a law/rule for safety and DOT certification (as I understand it).
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
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Road Captain
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From: Arizona
RE: Does the salesman know more
Do your very best to go into a dealership / bike shopping as educated about the bikes as possible ~~ this forum is a good place to start . Read ,listen ,ask questions {of people in the know} and absorb all you can before you even walk through the door, that way you'll know a bullshit artist as soon as they open their mouths and you can make your own "educated " decision .[sm=smiley20.gif]
Road Master
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Chester County, PA
RE: Does the salesman know more
ORIGINAL: iclick
Thanks for that info, as I didn't know that. Where is the return cable, as its presence wasn't apparent on the '08's I've looked at. It must be more internal, unlike the cables on the earlier bikes.
ORIGINAL: chornbe
The "fly by wire" throttles still have a cable for the return. I believe they have to; That's a law/rule for safety and DOT certification (as I understand it).
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
The "fly by wire" throttles still have a cable for the return. I believe they have to; That's a law/rule for safety and DOT certification (as I understand it).
The pull-to-open cable is replaced with a servo at the throttle body and sensor at the throttle handle. That's all.
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