HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
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Road Captain
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RE: HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
Glens, I sent off an email to Jamie at FuelMoto... copied your comments about needing to put the stock pipes back on, etc.
I'll let you know when I hear something... and I'll copy and paste his response here.
Cheers!
I'll let you know when I hear something... and I'll copy and paste his response here.
Cheers!
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Road Captain
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RE: HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
Message to Jamie:
Jamie:
Here is something that came up on the forum after I mentioned that I already
put my Rush slip-ons (w/ 2.5" baffles) on my bike, but that I had not yet
installed my SE air cleaner...
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"I'm assuming you've already installed the mufflers, then. What you're going
to need to do, when you get all your parts ready to assemble, is put the
stock mufflers back on with the stock airbox and ride it around in steady
closed- loop mode for a half-hour or so. (That's likely overkill on the
time, but better to be thorough than not.) This will reset your ECU's "AFV".
That's if you've ridden the bike with just the mufflers installed. If you
have, the AFV will effectively change the mapping of your ECU and, trust me
on this, the PC-III will be modifying signals that will be improperly rich
for its settings. The result will not be to your liking if the AFV isn't
reset. You could also swing by the dealer and have them do it with their
Digital Technician if you don't want to hear the sewing machine anymore
after hearing the Rushes. But if you do that ($$) you'll have to have the
PC-III in place already, (probably) disconnect it for the reset, and then
reconnect it. If you do, don't put the O2 sensors back in line with the
freer-breathing stuff. Not even for a minute. Or you'll risk "messing up"
the AFV again.
If you want to experiment, try bypassing the PC-III and putting the O2
sensors back into service and ride with your exhaust/air-cleaner for a few
minutes with the bike warm. Then put the PC-III and O2 eliminators back into
service and see how crappily the bike runs. You'll probably not be able to
pull much past 4000 rpm!
You can also leave the PC-III in service with the other stuff and put the O2
sensors back into service as well. This is another good way to "mess up" the
AFV
and ruin the experience."
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Do I actually have to reinstall the stock exhaust and run it for a bit in
order to reset the ECU? Let me know how I should be properly installing the
PCIII...
Cheers!
Jamie:
Here is something that came up on the forum after I mentioned that I already
put my Rush slip-ons (w/ 2.5" baffles) on my bike, but that I had not yet
installed my SE air cleaner...
-------------------------------------------
"I'm assuming you've already installed the mufflers, then. What you're going
to need to do, when you get all your parts ready to assemble, is put the
stock mufflers back on with the stock airbox and ride it around in steady
closed- loop mode for a half-hour or so. (That's likely overkill on the
time, but better to be thorough than not.) This will reset your ECU's "AFV".
That's if you've ridden the bike with just the mufflers installed. If you
have, the AFV will effectively change the mapping of your ECU and, trust me
on this, the PC-III will be modifying signals that will be improperly rich
for its settings. The result will not be to your liking if the AFV isn't
reset. You could also swing by the dealer and have them do it with their
Digital Technician if you don't want to hear the sewing machine anymore
after hearing the Rushes. But if you do that ($$) you'll have to have the
PC-III in place already, (probably) disconnect it for the reset, and then
reconnect it. If you do, don't put the O2 sensors back in line with the
freer-breathing stuff. Not even for a minute. Or you'll risk "messing up"
the AFV again.
If you want to experiment, try bypassing the PC-III and putting the O2
sensors back into service and ride with your exhaust/air-cleaner for a few
minutes with the bike warm. Then put the PC-III and O2 eliminators back into
service and see how crappily the bike runs. You'll probably not be able to
pull much past 4000 rpm!
You can also leave the PC-III in service with the other stuff and put the O2
sensors back into service as well. This is another good way to "mess up" the
AFV
and ruin the experience."--------------------------------------------
Do I actually have to reinstall the stock exhaust and run it for a bit in
order to reset the ECU? Let me know how I should be properly installing the
PCIII...
Cheers!
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Road Captain
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RE: HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
Reply from Fuelmoto:
Hello, you do not need to install the stock components
before you install the Power Commander. The Power
Commander is ready to install and was programmed for
your mods.
Fuel Moto
Parts & Accessories
1020 American Dr. Suite #1
Neenah, WI 54956
Toll Free Sales 1-877-729-4754
Tech Support 920-729-4758
Specializing in EFI tuning and Exhaust components
Visit us at www.fuelmotousa.com
Hello, you do not need to install the stock components
before you install the Power Commander. The Power
Commander is ready to install and was programmed for
your mods.
Fuel Moto
Parts & Accessories
1020 American Dr. Suite #1
Neenah, WI 54956
Toll Free Sales 1-877-729-4754
Tech Support 920-729-4758
Specializing in EFI tuning and Exhaust components
Visit us at www.fuelmotousa.com
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Road Captain
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RE: HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
Message I sent back to them:
Even if I have already installed the slip-on pipes (Rush 2.5") and have been
running them for about 200kms?
Even if I have already installed the slip-on pipes (Rush 2.5") and have been
running them for about 200kms?
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RE: HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
my 2 cents....you want loud? either vance and hines long shots with baffles out or D&D fatcat 2 into 1's with baffles out!.....both verrrry loud and great sounding. I've taken the baffles out of my2000 rk and when I pull in some place many guys want to know what I'm running....in my part of the country rineharts are the flavor of the month and fatcats are not well known nor carried by any of the local HDdealers.
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RE: HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
ORIGINAL: Peyts
Glens... what's your thoughts on this?
Glens... what's your thoughts on this?
Why don't you just put the airbox and PC-III on in addition to the mufflers and run a tank or two of gas through it. Then put the other stuff back momentarily and repeat the process. Apart from the actual riding and filling up the tank, it ought to take about one and a half hours of your time. Then we'll all know one way or the other.
The next time I have the bike near the shop I'm going to have them hook up the Digital Technician and see what my AFV is set to. It should be close to 100% but not exactly. If it's indeed exactly 100% then I'll have to stick one of the O2 sensors back on-line and make sure it's not 100% on at least one of the cylinders. Turning the bike off and back on it'll either be 100% again or not, and I'll have my answer definitively (though I'm already sure I do).
I suppose you could email Jamie again and ask him specifically "Does the AFV reset between engine-running sessions or not?" Ask him to ask one of the guys in the shop who does know for sure if he himself does not.
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RE: HELP NEEDED ASAP: Loud Pipes
Here's something you may want to consider (but probably won't :P):
On a touring bike you are hopefully going to be doing some touring. Now I'm sure there will be people that tell you they have upswept fishtails directed in their faces on a touring bike and put on 800 miles a day ... good for them, but you get tired faster when you listen to loud pipes for a few hundred miles. I have either Wild Pigs (personal favorite) or SE muffs on my bike because it's a uniform thing with the drill team, but I'd personally prefer stock pipes for trips. I've tried ear plugs but those interfere with the communications so it's a definite disadvantage.
If you are dead set on loud pipes, may I recommend that you either get straight cut or slash-up tips? Slash-downs (and sometimes turnouts) reflect the sound back up at you and definitely work on your ears after a short amount of time.
On a touring bike you are hopefully going to be doing some touring. Now I'm sure there will be people that tell you they have upswept fishtails directed in their faces on a touring bike and put on 800 miles a day ... good for them, but you get tired faster when you listen to loud pipes for a few hundred miles. I have either Wild Pigs (personal favorite) or SE muffs on my bike because it's a uniform thing with the drill team, but I'd personally prefer stock pipes for trips. I've tried ear plugs but those interfere with the communications so it's a definite disadvantage.
If you are dead set on loud pipes, may I recommend that you either get straight cut or slash-up tips? Slash-downs (and sometimes turnouts) reflect the sound back up at you and definitely work on your ears after a short amount of time.