IDS problem
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RE: IDS problem
Its all in your mind if you think the ids is reducing gear whine but thats ok. Gear whine is caused by the cut of the 1st and 5th gears being different from the other 4. I had a 08, with IDS and guess what it whined. They all whine, it does get better and quiter with miles as everything wears in, but the ids doesnt reduce anything except harshness when you get close to lugging speed. As to longevity of the rubber thats a wait and see. I feel that since harley tells you it must be checked at regular intervals they must feel it can or will wear out at some point.
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RE: IDS problem
There are many that share this misconception. My '07 didn't clatter but it did whine in 1st and 5th. Installing the IDS all but eliminated the whine and this bike now is the smoothest riding bike at 60-65mph/6th gear I have ever owned. The rubber components don't get chewed up they "eventually" degrade becasuse of the heat created by the rubber components compressing and relaxing. In the industrial world it takes years for these blocks to require replacement. No one on this forum that has ever owned a bike with this type of drive has ever indicated frequent rubber component replacements. What's the track record with the V-rod. Same technology. 100+ horsepower.
Its all in your mind if you think the ids is reducing gear whine but thats ok. Gear whine is caused by the cut of the 1st and 5th gears being different from the other 4. I had a 08, with IDS and guess what it whined. They all whine, it does get better and quiter with miles as everything wears in, but the ids doesn't reduce anything except harshness when you get close to lugging speed. As to longevity of the rubber thats a wait and see. I feel that since Harley tells you it must be checked at regular intervals they must feel it can or will wear out at some point.
In the interest of accuracy I never indicated the IDS eliminated the whine. I said it "all but eliminated the whine" after mufflers, heavier tranny fluid, SERT, dyno tuning and IDS it wasn't audible with the radio off riding next to a concrete barrier. That's quiet enough for me.
Thanks for the input.
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RE: IDS problem
ORIGINAL: gunrunner
To your surprize a lot of guys dont want them. You may have had a clattering 07 but your the minority, many more 07s had no issue and preform great, I had 2 of the no clatter bikes. IDS is a good fix for clatter bikes, but why would anyone want to pay 300.00 to add a wear out part to a solid design when you dont have issues? It will also not be good to put it on bikes whose owners boost the power levels a bunch cause it will chew up the rubber bumpers in it after awhile of fast take offs. IDS is a good band-aid if you have a clatter bike but useless on one that doesn't.
To your surprize a lot of guys dont want them. You may have had a clattering 07 but your the minority, many more 07s had no issue and preform great, I had 2 of the no clatter bikes. IDS is a good fix for clatter bikes, but why would anyone want to pay 300.00 to add a wear out part to a solid design when you dont have issues? It will also not be good to put it on bikes whose owners boost the power levels a bunch cause it will chew up the rubber bumpers in it after awhile of fast take offs. IDS is a good band-aid if you have a clatter bike but useless on one that doesn't.
Nevermind that there are 10-20 threads of people who have installed the IDS onnon-clatter bike who say the IDS smoothed out their driveline...
Nevermind theHigh HP V-Rod and about 50 other high HP metrics that use a form of IDS and don't "chew up" rubber bumpers...
Nevermind that you told all of us that we should go buy a Honda if we didn't like our Clattering 07's....
lp
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RE: IDS problem
ORIGINAL: lp
Nevermind thatthere are 10-20 threads of people who have just come out to say "Yeah I had clatter issues"...
Nevermind that there are 10-20 threads of people who have installed the IDS onnon-clatter bike who say the IDS smoothed out their driveline...
Nevermind theHigh HP V-Rod and about 50 other high HP metrics that use a form of IDS and don't "chew up" rubber bumpers...
Nevermind that you told all of us that we should go buy a Honda if we didn't like our Clattering 07's....
Why should we listen to you?
lp
ORIGINAL: gunrunner
To your surprize a lot of guys dont want them. You may have had a clattering 07 but your the minority, many more 07s had no issue and preform great, I had 2 of the no clatter bikes. IDS is a good fix for clatter bikes, but why would anyone want to pay 300.00 to add a wear out part to a solid design when you dont have issues? It will also not be good to put it on bikes whose owners boost the power levels a bunch cause it will chew up the rubber bumpers in it after awhile of fast take offs. IDS is a good band-aid if you have a clatter bike but useless on one that doesn't.
To your surprize a lot of guys dont want them. You may have had a clattering 07 but your the minority, many more 07s had no issue and preform great, I had 2 of the no clatter bikes. IDS is a good fix for clatter bikes, but why would anyone want to pay 300.00 to add a wear out part to a solid design when you dont have issues? It will also not be good to put it on bikes whose owners boost the power levels a bunch cause it will chew up the rubber bumpers in it after awhile of fast take offs. IDS is a good band-aid if you have a clatter bike but useless on one that doesn't.
Nevermind that there are 10-20 threads of people who have installed the IDS onnon-clatter bike who say the IDS smoothed out their driveline...
Nevermind theHigh HP V-Rod and about 50 other high HP metrics that use a form of IDS and don't "chew up" rubber bumpers...
Nevermind that you told all of us that we should go buy a Honda if we didn't like our Clattering 07's....
Why should we listen to you?
lp
Your 10 -20 threads on clatter really broke down to a very small precentage of harleys sold and everytime you guys tried to say it was all 07s a ton more guys without it chimed in to say they had none at all. Like I said IDS is a great fix for someone who has clatter or who just plain lugs there motor a lot it will smooth it out. A lot or even most dont need it but will buy it anyway cause its a new gaget and 08s have it. I have read many posts from guys who say they dont want it. As for wearing out, it will, but hopefully not for a long time. Id say it will be subject to more wear than a vrod just because of the added weight and high gearing of the 07-08 touring models, as I said and is printed in the 08 manual. IDS must be inspected at regular intervals. I'm not asking anyone to listen to me I'm just throwing my opinion on the subject out there like everyone else does, it's a forum thats what we do. I would hope everyone does as I do and research a subject Im interested in and develop my own direction on how to proceed rather than do what someone else says without thought.
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RE: IDS problem
ORIGINAL: gunrunner
Now LP you know the buy a honda was all said in jest back when you and others led the clatter wars
Your 10 -20 threads on clatter really broke down to a very small precentage of harleys sold and everytime you guys tried to say it was all 07s a ton more guys without it chimed in to say they had none at all. Like I said IDS is a great fix for someone who has clatter or who just plain lugs there motor a lot it will smooth it out. A lot or even most dont need it but will buy it anyway cause its a new gaget and 08s have it. I have read many posts from guys who say they dont want it. As for wearing out, it will, but hopefully not for a long time. Id say it will be subject to more wear than a vrod just because of the added weight and high gearing of the 07-08 touring models, as I said and is printed in the 08 manual. IDS must be inspected at regular intervals. I'm not asking anyone to listen to me I'm just throwing my opinion on the subject out there like everyone else does, it's a forum thats what we do. I would hope everyone does as I do and research a subject Im interested in and develop my own direction on how to proceed rather than do what someone else says without thought.
Now LP you know the buy a honda was all said in jest back when you and others led the clatter wars
Your 10 -20 threads on clatter really broke down to a very small precentage of harleys sold and everytime you guys tried to say it was all 07s a ton more guys without it chimed in to say they had none at all. Like I said IDS is a great fix for someone who has clatter or who just plain lugs there motor a lot it will smooth it out. A lot or even most dont need it but will buy it anyway cause its a new gaget and 08s have it. I have read many posts from guys who say they dont want it. As for wearing out, it will, but hopefully not for a long time. Id say it will be subject to more wear than a vrod just because of the added weight and high gearing of the 07-08 touring models, as I said and is printed in the 08 manual. IDS must be inspected at regular intervals. I'm not asking anyone to listen to me I'm just throwing my opinion on the subject out there like everyone else does, it's a forum thats what we do. I would hope everyone does as I do and research a subject Im interested in and develop my own direction on how to proceed rather than do what someone else says without thought.
lp
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RE: IDS problem
ORIGINAL: amike
I must be missing something associated with this clatter deal. The only clatter I've ever heard from my 07 RK Custom is when I screw up and lug the motor.
I must be missing something associated with this clatter deal. The only clatter I've ever heard from my 07 RK Custom is when I screw up and lug the motor.