RACE TUNER
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From: Longview, Washington
RE: RACE TUNER
ORIGINAL: hogdoc
What your REALLY paying for is the THOUSANDS of hours of reaserch and development time that it has taken to give you a product that WORKS EVERYTIME, has MANY more features than the crap that tries to FOOL the ECM, works with all the sensors the motor was designed to run with, and oh did I mention WORKS EVERYTIME.
ORIGINAL: sifularson
That is a very good question.
The SERT "marries" itself to the first ECM it is used on and then cannot be used an another ECM.
I bought a SERT recently and had my bike dyno tuned with it. I ended up with the SERT and a custom map for my bike for a total cost of $720.
Now, Im not complaining BUT . . . the SERT is simply a plug that allows access to the ECM. It probably costs HD less then $20 to produce. Nothing remains on the bike. Once you're done using the SERT, you take it off but you should always keep it with the bike unless you need emergency service on a road trip. So, the way I see it, when you buy a SERT, you are simply buying the right and means to access the ECM . . . what a racket !
That is a very good question.
The SERT "marries" itself to the first ECM it is used on and then cannot be used an another ECM.
I bought a SERT recently and had my bike dyno tuned with it. I ended up with the SERT and a custom map for my bike for a total cost of $720.
Now, Im not complaining BUT . . . the SERT is simply a plug that allows access to the ECM. It probably costs HD less then $20 to produce. Nothing remains on the bike. Once you're done using the SERT, you take it off but you should always keep it with the bike unless you need emergency service on a road trip. So, the way I see it, when you buy a SERT, you are simply buying the right and means to access the ECM . . . what a racket !
Your right, it works and works well.
Road Warrior
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From: Contributor to HDForums.com
RE: RACE TUNER
What your REALLY paying for is the THOUSANDS of hours of reaserch and development time that it has taken to give you a product that WORKS EVERYTIME, has MANY more features than the crap that tries to FOOL the ECM, works with all the sensors the motor was designed to run with, and oh did I mention WORKS EVERYTIME.
Road Warrior
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RE: RACE TUNER
ORIGINAL: HEYENG
Thanx for the help
I guessI will be looking for a deal on a new Tunerthen drop it offat the dealer
Thanx for the help
I guessI will be looking for a deal on a new Tunerthen drop it offat the dealer
Road Warrior
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From: Northern Virginia
RE: RACE TUNER
ORIGINAL: hogdoc
What your REALLY paying for is the THOUSANDS of hours of reaserch and development time that it has taken to give you a product that WORKS EVERYTIME, has MANY more features than the crap that tries to FOOL the ECM, works with all the sensors the motor was designed to run with, and oh did I mention WORKS EVERYTIME.
ORIGINAL: sifularson
That is a very good question.
The SERT "marries" itself to the first ECM it is used on and then cannot be used an another ECM.
I bought a SERT recently and had my bike dyno tuned with it. I ended up with the SERT and a custom map for my bike for a total cost of $720.
Now, Im not complaining BUT . . . the SERT is simply a plug that allows access to the ECM. It probably costs HD less then $20 to produce. Nothing remains on the bike. Once you're done using the SERT, you take it off but you should always keep it with the bike unless you need emergency service on a road trip. So, the way I see it, when you buy a SERT, you are simply buying the right and means to access the ECM . . . what a racket !
That is a very good question.
The SERT "marries" itself to the first ECM it is used on and then cannot be used an another ECM.
I bought a SERT recently and had my bike dyno tuned with it. I ended up with the SERT and a custom map for my bike for a total cost of $720.
Now, Im not complaining BUT . . . the SERT is simply a plug that allows access to the ECM. It probably costs HD less then $20 to produce. Nothing remains on the bike. Once you're done using the SERT, you take it off but you should always keep it with the bike unless you need emergency service on a road trip. So, the way I see it, when you buy a SERT, you are simply buying the right and means to access the ECM . . . what a racket !
Thousands of hours of research...LOL. HD has had the ability to tap into the ECM long before the SERT...hence the downloads, Twin Scan, etc.HD has now just provided a product to allow the bikeowner to tap into the ECM and make changes. Formany many yearsthe Power Commander was dominating product on the market. HD just found a way to keep more of your money in the family by providing another product that they can sell and service.
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RE: RACE TUNER
ORIGINAL: mattman22033
Thousands of hours of research...LOL. HD has had the ability to tap into the ECM long before the SERT...hence the downloads, Twin Scan, etc.HD has now just provided a product to allow the bikeowner to tap into the ECM and make changes. Formany many yearsthe Power Commander was dominating product on the market. HD just found a way to keep more of your money in the family by providing another product that they can sell and service.
ORIGINAL: hogdoc
What your REALLY paying for is the THOUSANDS of hours of reaserch and development time that it has taken to give you a product that WORKS EVERYTIME, has MANY more features than the crap that tries to FOOL the ECM, works with all the sensors the motor was designed to run with, and oh did I mention WORKS EVERYTIME.
ORIGINAL: sifularson
That is a very good question.
The SERT "marries" itself to the first ECM it is used on and then cannot be used an another ECM.
I bought a SERT recently and had my bike dyno tuned with it. I ended up with the SERT and a custom map for my bike for a total cost of $720.
Now, Im not complaining BUT . . . the SERT is simply a plug that allows access to the ECM. It probably costs HD less then $20 to produce. Nothing remains on the bike. Once you're done using the SERT, you take it off but you should always keep it with the bike unless you need emergency service on a road trip. So, the way I see it, when you buy a SERT, you are simply buying the right and means to access the ECM . . . what a racket !
That is a very good question.
The SERT "marries" itself to the first ECM it is used on and then cannot be used an another ECM.
I bought a SERT recently and had my bike dyno tuned with it. I ended up with the SERT and a custom map for my bike for a total cost of $720.
Now, Im not complaining BUT . . . the SERT is simply a plug that allows access to the ECM. It probably costs HD less then $20 to produce. Nothing remains on the bike. Once you're done using the SERT, you take it off but you should always keep it with the bike unless you need emergency service on a road trip. So, the way I see it, when you buy a SERT, you are simply buying the right and means to access the ECM . . . what a racket !
Thousands of hours of research...LOL. HD has had the ability to tap into the ECM long before the SERT...hence the downloads, Twin Scan, etc.HD has now just provided a product to allow the bikeowner to tap into the ECM and make changes. Formany many yearsthe Power Commander was dominating product on the market. HD just found a way to keep more of your money in the family by providing another product that they can sell and service.
For many yearsPower Comander WAS the dominating product and now there is something FAR SUPERIOR.
And yes they found a way to keep "more of your money in the family", that is the job of every mfg, they also make a product that works.
If you were the mfg of any particular product would you set idley by while others made a profit off an inferior product to workAROUND your product or would you offer something that was designed to work perfectly WITH yours and be able to make an additional profit?
You guys need to quit thinking that its all a great HD conspiracy and start thinking like a business owner, if you owned it what would you do?????
Road Warrior
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Northern Virginia
RE: RACE TUNER
I never said it was a conspiracy...it was the smart thingHD to do. But the product does have shortfalls like not being able to upload/retrieve the map and is a harder to create a map for.
IMO...the next step for HD should be to create an program to help with tuning like the Tuning Link for the PCIII.
Has the SERT really been available since 2001???...I just don't remember it being an option for tuning back in 2002...maybe it justwasn't aswidely known or advertised.
IMO...the next step for HD should be to create an program to help with tuning like the Tuning Link for the PCIII.
Has the SERT really been available since 2001???...I just don't remember it being an option for tuning back in 2002...maybe it justwasn't aswidely known or advertised.
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