Nitrogen in Tires
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Sooner Central
RE: Nitrogen in Tires
ORIGINAL: MustBBrent
Does anyone know of a dealership near Bentonville, AR that can put nitrogen into motorscooter tires?
Thank you in advance.
Does anyone know of a dealership near Bentonville, AR that can put nitrogen into motorscooter tires?
Thank you in advance.
Unless they pull the tire/tube into a total vacumm they ain't going to get much higher nitrogen percentage than the 70% that's in the air you breathe. Sure nitrogen is more thermally stable, but without100% nitrogen in the tire - all the air out before the nitrogen goes in - you're not going to see any benefit. Save your $$$ for chrome.
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: St. Charles, IL
RE: Nitrogen in Tires
Yep, NASCAR and NASA and airlines and major over-the-road trucking companies use nitrogen. They all have very good reasons to do so. Airplanes see massive pressure changes and temp changes from ground level to say 30,000 feet. In that, nitrogen pressures will not change as much as ambient air. Airplanes see EXTREME environments.
NASA, has the same EXTREME environments. NASCAR has the heat generated by the friction and g-forces applied to the tires in turns. Heat into tires increases pressures. To minimize that pressure increase, nitrogen is used. NASCAR sees EXTREME g-forces and friction generate heating. OTR trucks have heavy loads, long distances, extreme temp swings and many miles in one trip. OTR uses nitrogen to combat teh pressure changes, temps and mileage without having to check the tires pressures that often.
Face it, our bikes will never see even 1/10th of even the smallest extreme that any of these will see. If you get it for free, use it. If it costs you extra, save the money for gas
NASA, has the same EXTREME environments. NASCAR has the heat generated by the friction and g-forces applied to the tires in turns. Heat into tires increases pressures. To minimize that pressure increase, nitrogen is used. NASCAR sees EXTREME g-forces and friction generate heating. OTR trucks have heavy loads, long distances, extreme temp swings and many miles in one trip. OTR uses nitrogen to combat teh pressure changes, temps and mileage without having to check the tires pressures that often.
Face it, our bikes will never see even 1/10th of even the smallest extreme that any of these will see. If you get it for free, use it. If it costs you extra, save the money for gas
Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: Atascadero, CA
RE: Nitrogen in Tires
It seems silly to me to think that you can't add "air" to a tire that has priviously been filled with nitrogen. Are you trying to say that the tire was mounted in a nitrogen filled chamber and therfore is 100% nitrogen? Your tire at best is probably only 75% pure nitrogen. It would seem that a short squirt of compressed air to bring the pressure back up would not be of any concern IMO.
Tourer
Joined: Apr 2007
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From: Akron, OH
RE: Nitrogen in Tires
ORIGINAL: Roadhog02
It seems silly to me to think that you can't add "air" to a tire that has priviously been filled with nitrogen. Are you trying to say that the tire was mounted in a nitrogen filled chamber and therfore is 100% nitrogen? Your tire at best is probably only 75% pure nitrogen. It would seem that a short squirt of compressed air to bring the pressure back up would not be of any concern IMO.
It seems silly to me to think that you can't add "air" to a tire that has priviously been filled with nitrogen. Are you trying to say that the tire was mounted in a nitrogen filled chamber and therfore is 100% nitrogen? Your tire at best is probably only 75% pure nitrogen. It would seem that a short squirt of compressed air to bring the pressure back up would not be of any concern IMO.
As far as cost is concerned, it cost me $14.00 to fill an 80 cu/ft bottle with Nitrogen. I've been using the same bottle for two years now. I guarantee you've paid that and more in electricity for your garage air compressor, or putting quarters in at the gas station.
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Road Warrior
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Monroe, Louisiana
RE: Nitrogen in Tires
Check out getnitrogen.com for some facts. It won't hurt to top off with compressed air.
I actually sell the machines and I believe it has some benefit. The main thing isa more constant tire pressure. It leaks out 3 to 4 times slower than compressed air because of the bigger molecule. Its not as affected by temperature change as compressed air. Also all new vehicles have sensor valves in the the wheels/tires that may be affected by moisture in compressed air. Nitrogen doesn't have the moisture.
You guys can say what you want. I don't really think its that big a deal. I'm not running it in any of my vehicles, not even the scoot, but to say there is no benefit, snake oil, well.............
I actually sell the machines and I believe it has some benefit. The main thing isa more constant tire pressure. It leaks out 3 to 4 times slower than compressed air because of the bigger molecule. Its not as affected by temperature change as compressed air. Also all new vehicles have sensor valves in the the wheels/tires that may be affected by moisture in compressed air. Nitrogen doesn't have the moisture.
You guys can say what you want. I don't really think its that big a deal. I'm not running it in any of my vehicles, not even the scoot, but to say there is no benefit, snake oil, well.............
Stellar HDF Member
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From: Lincolnton, NC
RE: Nitrogen in Tires
I guarantee you've paid that and more in electricity for your garage air compressor, or putting quarters in at the gas station.
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Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2007
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From: Arkansas
RE: Nitrogen in Tires
Ok, so let me get this straight. You are telling me that unless the guys were wearing clean room suits and working in a vaccuum sealed room, that when they put the tire on the rim, air got in...[sm=confused06.gif] Ok, that makes sense.
Then the marketing guys got involved and voila, the scam has begun. [sm=chairshot.gif]I get it that nitrogen filling has purpose, but very little reality in a motorcycle tire... especially 2 particular tiresthat are 6 to 10 psi low from what they should be (psi being more important than the actual % of nitrogen inside the tube unless it is 100% or darned close.)
Did I get it right?[sm=happy046.gif]
Then the marketing guys got involved and voila, the scam has begun. [sm=chairshot.gif]I get it that nitrogen filling has purpose, but very little reality in a motorcycle tire... especially 2 particular tiresthat are 6 to 10 psi low from what they should be (psi being more important than the actual % of nitrogen inside the tube unless it is 100% or darned close.)
Did I get it right?[sm=happy046.gif]
