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Old May 6, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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70% front 30% rear
This ratio really does work.
I got my Road King last fall, did some group rides and solo's. Found myself contantly locking the rear brake but never going down.
Took the advanced safety course put on by the Army. They stressed the 70-30 rule. I've been practicing it and havn't had any more problems.
You really have to go lightly on the rear brakes. You leg and foot has a lot more power than your hand and arm.

Hope that helps.
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 08:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: v10silver

Is it me or there something else possibly going on there?
It's you. Practice them panic stops in a vacant parking lot til you can just about do a stoppie. That front brake is plenty strong, no need to stomp the rear.
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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ORIGINAL: SCRider

I came from riding dirt bikes, and the rule of thumb for dirt bikes is to always jump on the rear brake and be very careful with the front. So my first inclination was to jump on the rear brake in a panic situation. I realized this could be a dangerous problem in a panic situation, so to get over this natural habit, I now ALWAYS grab the front brakes first, bring the bike to almost a stop and then begin applying and switching the braking power to the rear brake. Now, my first PANIC instinct is to grab the front brakes.

Didn't mean to be so long winded, but this worked for me.[sm=yikesomg.gif]
Riding in dirt is a different experience sometimes. The bigone beingtraction. In the dirt you can lock up the rear brake andrelease it. It's actually a move that a lot of riders do in the sand. So much so that BMW makes an ABS cut off switch for the rear brake on some of their dual sport bikes so riders can intentionally lock of the rear and slide it around. The soft and loose traction is much more forgiving for that. In motorschool they let us take those Kawasakis out in the dirt and mud to experience how the bike handles in lose traction. Lots of work, and lots of fun, but I sure as heck wouldn't do that with my Ultra.
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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If you are riding your bike like you drive your car I suggest you stop riding. Every Machine on the Hwy except other bikes are Larger take longer to stop and do not handle as well asyour bike. If you are having such a hard time with the rear brakes, maybe you should get an older bike with drum rear. Adjust the little wing nut so the rear will not lock up. Get used to that then get back on a big bike. Learn how your bike reacts. Go out on a back road and start learning how to emergency brake on your bike. If you do not do this in practice How will you Do it when you have a 4000lb Truck pull out in front of you, then see you and jab on the brakes? Motorcycles do what they are told to do by the rider. It leans how you lean, stops by your fingers and toes, goes by your right hand, and will kill you if you aim it the wrong way with little or no kwnolege of how it reacts to your inputs. A 800lb touring bike should not be your "first Road bike"
[sm=goodidea.gif] I ride withone index finger on the clutch and one on the brake lever...never had my 08Sg WITHOUT ABS lockup... I see it all the time on other bikes ,front brake rotors not a wear mark on them, rear is 20 colors of blue...
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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Way too damn.

I sure wish I had known ABS was coming in 08. I would have waited a year.


 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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TCB? Help me out.
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 10:13 PM
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I locked mine one time very briefly riding 2 up when a dog wanderd into our path. Just got a couple little barks out of the back tire as I got on the front and eased off the back. I know I should have been on the front first, but instinct is to hit the pedal. The back brake does lock very easy.
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 10:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: mazz

all good advise but remember when that back tire locks up stay on that break until you stop
it will launch you if you left off the break in a skid
Yeppers, that's what happened to me. My bud and I were on the last day of a 5 day trip to Memphis. It was about 4:00 in the afternoon, and we'd been riding all day. We were on a two lane road running about 70. We topped a hill, and about 50 yards in front of us a car was stopped in our lane, trying to turn left into her driveway. We both slammed on our brakes, but my bud's BMW had ABS, my 07 Ultra did not. The whole time we were stopping, I thought I was gonna run into his rear tire and take us both down. Finally about 10 feet from the car, the bike started hopping sideways. I had no choice but to ease off on the rear and slam the front. The bike actually stopped a few feet from the car, but I high sided over the bars and landed on my side, breaking my rib.

Bike was ok, but the tupperware on the batwing was beat up, minor scrapes all around. I was about 60 miles from a city of any size, and about 175 from home. I decided to John Wayne it back to Austin. Took 6 aspirins, and got back on the bike. Hell, it only hurt when I hit a big bump, or slowed down, or sped up, or breathed...

Learned a good lesson, you can't practice your panic stops enough, and once you commit to that rear brake, you better marry the bitch cause she's got you by the nads.
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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Technique and experience. More front brake less rear brake. The motorcycle training course is not for sissies. It's a good idea for everyone. You may check out availability in your area. Could save your life as well as your bike.
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 10:59 PM
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"The first instinct is to put your foot into the rear brake since we've been riding cars all our lives."

I would make the slight distinction that it is an autonomic response, or a conditioned response from lots of practice driving a car/truck.

That is why it is SO Important to practice, so that when on the bike it becomes a conditioned response (requiring no conscious thought) to squeeze the front brakes first and bring on the rear brakes gently.
 
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