The TRW Group Buy, Beware
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Road Master
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The TRW Group Buy, Beware
Here's the reply that I received from RideStr8 when I wrote and asked them if it was their system. [:@]
Just be aware imitations from companies in Canada that copied my designs. Thereare some major material and manufacturing differences between myproducts and the low quality imitations. Even though it may look the same they are not. TWR andCDC are in violation of my design rights, and have no regards in jeopardizing peoples safety by producing low quality imitations.[/align] [/align] TWRframe bracket is made of aluminum. Therefore the linkage holding screw is threaded into aluminum without thread insert.[/align] Ride Str8 Frame bracket is made of cold rolled 1018 steel.[/align] Ride Str8 linkage bolt isthreaded to the transmission bracketand is then secured with a jam nut. TWR is not.[/align] [/align] I have a very specific design for bikes years 1994 to 1997 and a different design for 1998 to 2001.[/align] The main reasonfor making all of these extra parts was to maintain the direct loading condition to the frame bracket while keeping it as close to the frame joint as it was possible to assure maximum restriction with minimum deflection.[/align] [/align] TWR one design fits all. [/align] [/align] I can offer you free shipping and a better product with five years in the market and an excellent reputation with 100% customer satisfaction.[/align] [/align] Please do your homework and purchase the best product.[/align] [/align] This frame bracket is even more critical for the 2002 and newer models.[/align] You see, TWR aluminum frame bracket was designed to fit the same fiscal space then the original Harley bracket.[/align] The problem is that aluminum is only 30 000psi strong versus the 60 000psistrong steel originalbracket. If they compensate in thickness to make up for the material strength then the aluminum part can not fit its location. If it fits in the same space, and is madeout of aluminum, It is NOT asstrong as the original STEEL part.[/align] Strength in this bracket is very critical because all of your weight and the bike weight and the bending and shear loads generated by riding conditions are transferred thru this bracket.[/align] That is way Ride Str8 frame bracket is made from a $55.00 USA made original Harley Davidson bracket. [/align] If you purchase TWR make sure they have insurance. You'll need it.[/align] Please do your homework and purchase the best product.[/align][/align] Regards[/align] Dan Semmere[/align] Design Engineer.[/align][/align][/align]
Just be aware imitations from companies in Canada that copied my designs. Thereare some major material and manufacturing differences between myproducts and the low quality imitations. Even though it may look the same they are not. TWR andCDC are in violation of my design rights, and have no regards in jeopardizing peoples safety by producing low quality imitations.[/align] [/align] TWRframe bracket is made of aluminum. Therefore the linkage holding screw is threaded into aluminum without thread insert.[/align] Ride Str8 Frame bracket is made of cold rolled 1018 steel.[/align] Ride Str8 linkage bolt isthreaded to the transmission bracketand is then secured with a jam nut. TWR is not.[/align] [/align] I have a very specific design for bikes years 1994 to 1997 and a different design for 1998 to 2001.[/align] The main reasonfor making all of these extra parts was to maintain the direct loading condition to the frame bracket while keeping it as close to the frame joint as it was possible to assure maximum restriction with minimum deflection.[/align] [/align] TWR one design fits all. [/align] [/align] I can offer you free shipping and a better product with five years in the market and an excellent reputation with 100% customer satisfaction.[/align] [/align] Please do your homework and purchase the best product.[/align] [/align] This frame bracket is even more critical for the 2002 and newer models.[/align] You see, TWR aluminum frame bracket was designed to fit the same fiscal space then the original Harley bracket.[/align] The problem is that aluminum is only 30 000psi strong versus the 60 000psistrong steel originalbracket. If they compensate in thickness to make up for the material strength then the aluminum part can not fit its location. If it fits in the same space, and is madeout of aluminum, It is NOT asstrong as the original STEEL part.[/align] Strength in this bracket is very critical because all of your weight and the bike weight and the bending and shear loads generated by riding conditions are transferred thru this bracket.[/align] That is way Ride Str8 frame bracket is made from a $55.00 USA made original Harley Davidson bracket. [/align] If you purchase TWR make sure they have insurance. You'll need it.[/align] Please do your homework and purchase the best product.[/align][/align] Regards[/align] Dan Semmere[/align] Design Engineer.[/align][/align][/align]
Tourer
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RE: The TRW Group Buy, Beware
That thread had over ten thousand hits and you can read the names of it seems like a hundred guys who just got screwed buying a substandard counterfeit product. Don't ya just love the internet.
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RE: The TRW Group Buy, Beware
That email response is in the TWR thread I think most are aware of it. If you look at the design TWR came up with you see that one, they are NOT in violation of any patent as in patent law you only protect "your" implementation of an "idea" not the idea itself. TWR and Ridestr8 both share the same idea, but not the same implementation. Close but different. Second, as it's already been stated, the aluminum used by TWR is strong enough and thick enough to do the job. No scare tactics needed.
Point is, buy the one that's cheapest because in the grand scheme of things they are both way expensive and in most cases, unneeded...
That wont stop me from buying one but I'm waiting until the competition heats up and they get down to about 50 bucks.
I'm going to make a real ugly one and sell it for 55 bucks...
lp
Point is, buy the one that's cheapest because in the grand scheme of things they are both way expensive and in most cases, unneeded...
That wont stop me from buying one but I'm waiting until the competition heats up and they get down to about 50 bucks.
I'm going to make a real ugly one and sell it for 55 bucks...
lp
Tourer
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From: Ontario Canada
RE: The TRW Group Buy, Beware
hi i think you should buy what ever kit you think is best and i do make 2 kits, one for 1995 to 2001 and one for 2002 to 2008and bashing one's product or saying it's inferior and trying to scare people into buying their's, is poor business ethics, iamsorry people have toresort to these businesstactics to sell their product, mine sells itself
Hi, my frame bracket isCNCmachined to clear all thewelds on the down tubesfromone piece of6061 t6 aluminumandrating isclearly displayed below and underlined.My bracket is made thicker in all areas for strength, and ithas no threaded inserts mounting it or the link itself. ltuses agrade 8 through bolt to mount the rod end to the framebracket itself. As for the oil pan bracket it's made of 6061 t6 aluminum and uses a countersink bolt that is stronger than grade 8,for more surface area and strength; also thebracket can be as close to the oilpan as possible, and my kit uses 2 chrome moly washers between the rod ends and their mounts to allow more travel of the rod ends if needed,and so thatthe rod ends will not dig into the aluminum. My framebracket is made of aluminumin order tocushion any vibrations that could occur between thetransmission andframe. My bracketismuch stronger than the forcesthat can be applied to it from the bike.
The 6061 series of aluminum is alloyed with magnesium & silicon. However, these are only the majority of alloying elements as other elements are included such as copper, zinc, maganese and titanium. A total of 4% of alloying elements comprise the 6061 specification. The 6061 series is divided into grades or designations that refer to the post temper process. The most common grades are T0, T4, and T6. The grades, processes and strengths are depicted below:
Temper- T6
Process-Solution heat treated and artificially aged
Tensile(PSI) -45,000
Yield(PSI)- 40,000
T0
fully annealed aluminum
18,000
8,000
T4
Solution heat treated and naturally aged
35,000
21,000
T6
Solution heat treated and artificially aged
45,000
40,000
Hi, my frame bracket isCNCmachined to clear all thewelds on the down tubesfromone piece of6061 t6 aluminumandrating isclearly displayed below and underlined.My bracket is made thicker in all areas for strength, and ithas no threaded inserts mounting it or the link itself. ltuses agrade 8 through bolt to mount the rod end to the framebracket itself. As for the oil pan bracket it's made of 6061 t6 aluminum and uses a countersink bolt that is stronger than grade 8,for more surface area and strength; also thebracket can be as close to the oilpan as possible, and my kit uses 2 chrome moly washers between the rod ends and their mounts to allow more travel of the rod ends if needed,and so thatthe rod ends will not dig into the aluminum. My framebracket is made of aluminumin order tocushion any vibrations that could occur between thetransmission andframe. My bracketismuch stronger than the forcesthat can be applied to it from the bike.
The 6061 series of aluminum is alloyed with magnesium & silicon. However, these are only the majority of alloying elements as other elements are included such as copper, zinc, maganese and titanium. A total of 4% of alloying elements comprise the 6061 specification. The 6061 series is divided into grades or designations that refer to the post temper process. The most common grades are T0, T4, and T6. The grades, processes and strengths are depicted below:
Temper- T6
Process-Solution heat treated and artificially aged
Tensile(PSI) -45,000
Yield(PSI)- 40,000
T0
fully annealed aluminum
18,000
8,000
T4
Solution heat treated and naturally aged
35,000
21,000
T6
Solution heat treated and artificially aged
45,000
40,000
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From: Kitchener, On. Canada
RE: The TRW Group Buy, Beware
I was just wondering all this talk copy etc. etc.!!!!!! We all know none of them are copies, but if in fact there is a patent on this product anywhere? Ridrst8 says he does.???? Please show me this Patent info just for interest sake. Be nice to see you spent the time and money to get that Patent. (dan-----ridest8) since your the one claiming to have it!
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RE: The TRW Group Buy, Beware
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