Hey how about doing another 09 Street Glide thread? You might have some new material then. For the record your post (this one) contanted no new material... yawn.

So, how do you like your 09 SG? You're my hero.

lp

 

Setting aside the petty bickering here for a second (not that I think bickering is all bad...it can be constructive sometimes), and getting back to the product in question.

Are any of you guys who fully understand the mounted position of this thing, and the stresses it has to restrict a little creeped out by the angle the threaded rod has to be on when its all mounted. I know its hyme jointed and all, but it just looks a failure waiting to happen to me. Aside from the fact that its a flat out rip off of the Ride-Str8 and TWR. (To be 100% honest though I have to say the TWR sure as **** looks like a rip off off the Ride-Str8). I would have bought the Ride-Str8, but I took advantage of the group buy of the TWR for the forum.

 

For what its worth, I don't like the looks of it either. Would seem to me having the link rod run at a right angle to the swing-arm would be the best way to stabilize movement. Their method looks (to me) to just be an attempt to "be different" from the others somehow. Can't really see any advantage to it. Just the opposite.

 

Yeah, my bickering is just for my stress relief. A totally selfish thing I usually don't do. To those who read all my posts - it was cool huh? Nahh.. I apologize.

Honestly, I don't think the swing arm moves all that much to begin with and I think the "new" stabilizer will do the job, at least for awhile. Over constant time and pressure it may break. Interesting how this model is so much smaller than the others we've seen.

With the exception of the Tru Track and Ride Straight they all seem to be copies... I for one am happy with the copies as I thought the originals were way over priced for the amount of material used and basic idea in action. For 400 bucks you can feed a lot of people... 200 isn't cheap but a good start in the right direction if it still does what it sez it will do.

lp

 

You guys can't stop just yet!

I still have some popcorn left.

 

Already dissed a pirate that even has vendor status on the other forum, so I think most know where I stand on pirating. Never the less here's a story that might put it into focus for those that don't understand:
I used to be in a blues band and the leader arranged a tune covered by almost every band that ever played blues. He even credited himself as the writer on our CD. I protested and he argued back that the tune was his. I protested again that simply making a few changes only made him the author of the arrangement. The real author sued citing copyright infringement and of course won and won big. End of blues band.
Moral of the story:
Just because you make a few changes you don't have the right to copy and sell as your own. It just ain't cool. Downright dishonest, actually.
That's all I got to say.

 

Actually, I think I understand it just fine.

A patent gives the inventor of a usefull proccess, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, the right to EXCLUDE others from making, using, or offering for sale, said invention, and offers the owner of the patent legal rights to seek and recover damages against those infringing on the patent.

I stongly suspect, that True-trak's patent will be for a device to prevent lateral movement of the swingarm of a motorcycle due to cornering forces, and that said invention SPECIFICALLY uses a “dog bone” brace affixed to the rear frame crossmember of the motorcycle, subsequently attached to a plate affixed to the transmission pan of the motorcycle via a stablizing link rod.

In other words, exactly what every other rip-off of THIER design (not Ride-Straits) does and more to the point, EXACTLY how they do it.

Im also pretty sure that TRIVIAL variations of the design, such as slightly altering the shape of the “dog bone” or SLIGHTLY changing the shape of the transmission mount plate, do not constitute a “new” protected and patentable invention.

But hey, what do I know, Im just a retard right? You just feel free to keep calling me and other people names on the internet, if it makes you feel good about yourself.

For anyone else interested, feel free to read what the law ACTUALLY states below. I DONT see anything mentioned about how anybody can make and sell anything they want, to prevent monopolies, cause thats free enterprise "Hoss". I always understood the patent process to be an incentive to encourage free enterprise, by protecting those who invest time and resources to invent new things, from being hurt by profiteers who STEAL their work.

I guess Im just dumb though. Ill leave the internet to the “experts” from now on.


What Is a Patent?
A patent for an invention is the grant of a property right to the inventor, issued by the Patent and Trademark Office. The term of a new patent is 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States or, in special cases, from the date an earlier related application was filed, subject to the payment of maintenance fees. US patent grants are effective only within the US, US territories, and US possessions.
The right conferred by the patent grant is, in the language of the statute and of the grant itself, “the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling” the invention in the United States or “importing” the invention into the United States. What is granted is not the right to make, use, offer for sale, sell or import, but the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, selling or importing the invention.

What Can Be Patented
The patent law specifies the general field of subject matter that can be patented and the conditions under which a patent may be obtained.
In the language of the statute, any person who “invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent,” subject to the conditions and requirements of the law. The word “process” is defined by law as a process, act or method, and primarily includes industrial or technical processes. The term “machine” used in the statute needs no explanation. The term “manufacture” refers to articles that are made, and includes all manufactured articles. The term “composition of matter” relates to chemical compositions and may include mixtures of ingredients as well as new chemical compounds. These classes of subject matter taken together include practically everything that is made by man and the processes for making the products.
The Atomic Energy Act of 1954 excludes the patenting of inventions useful solely in the utilization of special nuclear material or atomic energy in an atomic weapon 42 U.S.C. 2181 (a).
The patent law specifies that the subject matter must be “useful.” The term “useful” in this connection refers to the condition that the subject matter has a useful purpose and also includes operativeness, that is, a machine which will not operate to perform the intended purpose would not be called useful, and therefore would not be granted a patent.
Interpretations of the statute by the courts have defined the limits of the field of subject matter that can be patented, thus it has been held that the laws of nature, physical phenomena, and abstract ideas are not patentable subject matter.
A patent cannot be obtained upon a mere idea or suggestion. The patent is granted upon the new machine, manufacture, etc., as has been said, and not upon the idea or suggestion of the new machine. A complete description of the actual machine or other subject matter for which a patent is sought is required.

What do the terms “patent pending” and “patent applied for” mean?
A. They are used by a manufacturer or seller of an article to inform the public that an application for patent on that article is on file in the United States Patent and Trademark Office. The law imposes a fine on those who use these terms falsely to deceive the public.

Infringement of Patents
Infringement of a patent consists of the unauthorized making, using, offering for sale, or selling any patented invention within the United States or U.S. Territories, or importing into the United States of any patented invention during the term of the patent. If a patent is infringed, the patentee may sue for relief in the appropriate federal court. The patentee may ask the court for an injunction to prevent the continuation of the infringement and may also ask the court for an award of damages because of the infringement. In such an infringement suit, the defendant may raise the question of the validity of the patent, which is then decided by the court. The defendant may also aver that what is being done does not constitute infringement. Infringement is determined primarily by the language of the claims of the patent and, if what the defendant is making does not fall within the language of any of the claims of the patent, there is no literal infringement.

Suits for infringement of patents follow the rules of procedure of the federal courts. From the decision of the district court, there is an appeal to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. The Supreme Court may thereafter take a case by writ of certiorari. If the United States Government infringes a patent, the patentee has a remedy for damages in the United States Court of Federal Claims. The government may use any patented invention without permission of the patentee, but the patentee is entitled to obtain compensation for the use by or for the government. The Office has no jurisdiction over questions relating to infringement of patents. In examining applications for patent, no determination is made as to whether the invention sought to be patented infringes any prior patent. An improvement invention may be patentable, but it might infringe a prior unexpired patent for the invention improved upon, if there is one.

 

I am new to this forum and would not have even joined if you people would have actually said anything worth a damn on the true trac, ride str8 or any of the so-called knock-offs I think that most people just look to forums like these to see if a product works and how well. I dont pretend to know everything,having said that I suppose most people who buy bikes so they can live via a throttle cable even if its only a few months of the year.want to ask questions and benefit from the experience and wisdom of a so called biker. So maybe if I ask nicely can anybody lead me to a source of real infromation on these product such and performance and stress on trans pan etc which one is the best forget the price .I would like to thank you in advance for any help

 

Tell you what...patent or no patent, variations in design do matter. I'm telling you now...some will introduce more vibration into your bike than others. There is a difference. I'll speak to the Progressive side mount..there IS a noticable amount of vibration that my under the frame mounted Bagger Brace doesn't come close to approaching.
That said, I'm the first one call a rip off a rip off, but these damn things work. My 08 rides like a different bike at all speeds, forget 80 MPH sweepers, it works pulling out of the drive way or just cruising in a straight line at 90 with 30 MPH gusts. It's the real thing. Oh yeah, there IS a very subtle amount of increased vibration in the floor boards, but not an obtrusive kind. Hard to explain. The bike just feels like one piece and meshed together. It had any more vibes, I would take it off. I'm pretty particular.

 

Necessity is the mother of invention. Literally thousands of people solve a blatant problem before someone actually markets it to the masses not smart enough to figure it out for themselves.

A simple spacer and a longer bolt is not a miracle invention. The miracle is someone smart enough to realize there is a market for idea, and capitalizes on that.

Those of us building choppers back in the '70s made many of our own parts. Now, buy a kit bike from Drag Specialtes....and brag about the chopper you built.